The "item level Wall" is up...again

(Nowise) #41

I quit reading here. Why are you playing an mmo? Go play a single player

(Verheinen) #42

I don’t do any of that and I’m 394. I’ve run all of 3 or 4 mythic 2. I don’t pvp and I’ve never ground a bg. Between war fronts, world quests and world bosses you can get up in ilevel.

(Plytofski) #43

Nice way to completely dismiss criticism of these free gear systems. Hell, even Blizzard has said they realized they’ve gone too far with these systems and will reel them back in (in 9.0 most likely).

Its about supplying sufficient motivation to dabble in other content in the game. Gear has been that way for many folk. “I want to do a lot of damage and be a really good hunter!” Well, to be a really good hunter, you have to jump through all these hoops, show that you’ve earned it. “Hmm, I want a 400 galecaller’s boon. That means I’m going to have to run M10’s to get it. But I don’t know anyone or have the experience. I guess I’ll have to work up a key or join a group”

When you start having too many free sources, the desire to chase those pieces wanes. “I got a 400 trinket off Ivus and a 395 trinket from the turtle emissary. Sure the galecaller’s boon is better, but its a lot of work, and I just don’t have the time to work towards it”

The astute will notice the pattern in Blizzard’s hard season resets and these bumps they do midway through tiers (we still have 2+ months before CE goes away for BoD). Instead of trying to get an alt into normal and heroic BoD, you’ll just wait until they bump up the free gear sources.


It’s not a legitimate question. It’s trolling. You aren’t the arbiter of who deserves gear progression or what content they have to do to get it nor do demands for justifications as to why they want item progression carry any weight.

Even the dev’s made the point at the content creators summit that removing forging would remove content for people so they don’t want to just get rid of it without having an alternative source of item progression content in place as too many people hit the ilvl wall without it and then they simply unsub. That’s what the devs told people.

See above. They explicitly made the point about how such item progression is content for people. Whether they dislike specific aspects of it they very clearly recognize that the more casual members of the playerbase, who are the vast majority of subscribers, enjoy the gear progression system and they have no intent of removing it without an alternative in place for them. I did like how you told half the story in an attempt to spin what they said about it because of your bias. That was particularly entertaining.

(Plytofski) #45

It is content. I don’t think its good content though and it discourages people from exploring other parts of the game. I do accept that some people have no interest in furthering themselves or their character and just like their easy little farmville-esque grinds as a time sink.

But this type of content may just be Blizzard’s goal. WoW has not expanded on its MMO aspects in a very long time, and everything new they add to the game has the single player experience in mind. I wish WoW’s demographics were more public, but I remember hearing in Antorus that less than 20% of the player base even killed a single heroic raid boss.

(Sorelai) #46

My item level is almost 395 and I haven’t done any of the above group content. I do a couple of warfronts every month and that is pretty much it for group content.


There are people who haven’t touched a regular mythic dungeon or raided normal and are nearly 400 ilvl. Welfare gear falls like rain. I can’t believe people are complaining about gear this expansion when welfare is centric to almost every little thing you do in-game.


You seem to be the one trolling here. Asking the OP to clarify what opportunities exist after you hit the solo content gear cap is a legitimate question. Nobody is saying what he’s doing is wrong or isn’t content.

(Silaena) #49

So, I fail to see what’s the issue here?
You people have to make up your mind. According to GD, spamming LFR will make your ilvl 425 in no time.
Weird indeed…


Whether you think it’s good content or believe other people should play and enjoy the game the same way you do isn’t relevant. They don’t and your opinion of it doesn’t matter. But yes, some people play this like it’s a form of entertainment and not a job, they don’t see it as something to derive a sense of self worth from, they aren’t interested in investing the time or effort to get to the skill level of people who do difficult organized content because…well…it’s just a video game. And those “some people” are actually the vast majority of players. Blizzard caters content done by hardcore players to them, they don’t for content designed for casual players. That’s not unexpected.

You and I, (just guessing here), we raid and run M+. That’ fun content to us. It’s suited to us. It’s designed for us and to our playstyles. Whether it’s forging or not, casuals deserve progression too. They need something to work on over a tier. A bunch of time gated progression is perfectly fine, they’re not going to exceed people doing organized content in ilvl unless those people stop playing. There’s nothing wrong with that.

(Sorelai) #51

Seems the OP is in luck and Blizzard has answered his prayers. I just saw this topic:

(Felsavior) #52

As a casual player who does not do any serious raiding content, I say…too bad?

You want high end gear do high end content. Simple. Otherwise deal with your self imposed ilvl cap…

(Iyasra) #53

pay gold for a mythic carry.

(Fenllandron) #54

This is the kind of player Blizzard caters to with tf/wf and other easy gearing mechanics. Sad.

(Marthul) #55

If you want to get better rewards on a consistent basis you need to move up on the content ladder which includes forming groups.

If you don’t you just get to sit back and hope your preferred content TFs for you because that’s how MMOs work.

(Djarro) #56

Did you miss the blue sticky this morning?

Ilvl 400 from daily 4 WQs now…

(Nommi) #57

Ya i dont do Mythic+ and only go to LFR raid(370)
Some of my characters are up to 390 or 385+

The daily emissaries give 385 and chance to WF/TF even higher.
Warfront quests give 400 for Darkshore
Ivus also gives 400

Takes some time but my casual characters can get to 390 with just those.

(Asglarek) #58

Dont know if its been mentioned but you can get wf/tf from timewalking dungeon quest reward.


Exactly - the way I worked up all my alts was building my own key and running the mid-level keys to work my io score up so that I would get into 10’s for the 400 gear rewards, plus the 410 cache each week. Combine that with the darkshore war front and a weekly raid cache each month - and if you’re lucky with the slot drops, you can start pushing your ilvl towards 400.

It’s not easy - but it’s possible; I’ve done it on at least 3 alts and they’re all now over 410.


You are joking right? This game is one big loot pinata.

You can’t even tell someone’s skill anymore based on Ilevel.

It’s like Oprah giving out keys to cars. You get gear, he gets gear, she gets gear. No worries, you’ll be 400 in no time.