Why are people always convinced that these things aren't happening on the other side?
Do you think all horde groups have healers? Most don't.
Do you think horde alts are like "Hey, I"m in quest greens, losses have a small chance at loot. But I think I'll wait till I'm properly geared first"? They don't, they're there in quest greens too.
Tone down the "this only happens to us" victim mentality. Everything you deal with horde deals with. I play horde and pvp as alliance a great deal. It's pretty much the same on both sides, except that alliance tend to be more fun to play with. If it was this horror show you present I certainly wouldn't be running out of town to get my "for the alliance" buff being I que. I'd just, you know, stay in town and que as horde. And if we actually won 19/20 times and it was some kind of pvp paradise I'd do just that. But it's not, stop acting like these issues only happens to you. It's completely and utterly ridiculous.
10/26/2018 10:11 PMPosted by Skynnyr10/26/2018 05:31 AMPosted by Bathos
I think the bottom line is, most people simply don't like alliance as a faction, and Blizzard can't change what people like
I've rolled a few alliance over the years but could never get with the quest/story lines. Never felt "good"
Only way blizz could get more alliance is have a superubercool new race that all the cool kids would want (or give op racial boosts).
Also is it just a PVP imbalance or the whole game? Can't see why the PVE side of things would be wanting to switch unless it was a lot of people didn't like the lore/storyline, it's not like the pve rewards have much to do with Horde vs Alliance, Both side get identical rewards for clearing the dungeons/raids....
Are there hard numbers out there for the factions? And are they reliable? Always see people bringing up numbers but then the other side or the arguement always says that "THOSE" numbers aren't correct but "THEIRS" are. Mostly seems like a big he said she said scenario.
Unfortunately, it is the whole game that is suffering at this point.
Take a look at WoWprogress. You will notice that only 3 Alliance guilds are in the top 20, when only weeks ago it was 5. What is happening is that with pve racials benefitting horde more for the raid, more and more raiding guilds went horde. When more and more raiding guilds went horde, more and more people followed. So the remaining Alliance guilds were finding fewer and fewer people to recruit from, so they too are switching to horde.
Now take a look at Realmpop, filter it to only level 120s, you will see that the majority are now horde, mostly Blood Elf, which, not surprisingly, are the ones with the beneficial raid racial.
This disparity is just growing wider and wider, because like it or not, raiders are the ones who are ultimately turning the tides. They move, their friends follow, then their friends follow. The people who aren't transferring because of friends are getting fed up with the difficulty in progressing mythic, warmode ridiculousness, and/or pvp imbalance, so they switch. This is not just a pvp problem, it is a whole game problem at this point.
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I've rolled a few alliance over the years but could never get with the quest/story lines. Never felt "good"
Only way blizz could get more alliance is have a superubercool new race that all the cool kids would want (or give op racial boosts).
Also is it just a PVP imbalance or the whole game? Can't see why the PVE side of things would be wanting to switch unless it was a lot of people didn't like the lore/storyline, it's not like the pve rewards have much to do with Horde vs Alliance, Both side get identical rewards for clearing the dungeons/raids....
Are there hard numbers out there for the factions? And are they reliable? Always see people bringing up numbers but then the other side or the arguement always says that "THOSE" numbers aren't correct but "THEIRS" are. Mostly seems like a big he said she said scenario.
Unfortunately, it is the whole game that is suffering at this point.
Take a look at WoWprogress. You will notice that only 3 Alliance guilds are in the top 20, when only weeks ago it was 5. What is happening is that with pve racials benefitting horde more for the raid, more and more raiding guilds went horde. When more and more raiding guilds went horde, more and more people followed. So the remaining Alliance guilds were finding fewer and fewer people to recruit from, so they too are switching to horde.
Now take a look at Realmpop, filter it to only level 120s, you will see that the majority are now horde, mostly Blood Elf, which, not surprisingly, are the ones with the beneficial raid racial.
This disparity is just growing wider and wider, because like it or not, raiders are the ones who are ultimately turning the tides. They move, their friends follow, then their friends follow. The people who aren't transferring because of friends are getting fed up with the difficulty in progressing mythic, warmode ridiculousness, and/or pvp imbalance, so they switch. This is not just a pvp problem, it is a whole game problem at this point.
great points, and it's not only raiders (which you touched on). most pvpers have also moved over to the horde, mainly because it is easier to find pvp groups on the horde side. go take a look at a snapshot of activity at the same time queuing for rated content then combine this with the vastly horde dominated pvp leaderboards. alliance pvp is almost dead comparatively.
the only downside is longer queue time for randoms which is circumvented easily with merc mode, hence worsening the imbalance.
People like to play the victim and will even bring up things that donāt affect them (pve/rated pvp) casual Bgs on alliance side are just as good as horde side and you donāt need a buff to queue them.10/27/2018 04:40 AMPosted by RidicruelWhy are people always convinced that these things aren't happening on the other side?
Do you think all horde groups have healers? Most don't.
Do you think horde alts are like "Hey, I"m in quest greens, losses have a small chance at loot. But I think I'll wait till I'm properly geared first"? They don't, they're there in quest greens too.
Tone down the "this only happens to us" victim mentality. Everything you deal with horde deals with. I play horde and pvp as alliance a great deal. It's pretty much the same on both sides, except that alliance tend to be more fun to play with. If it was this horror show you present I certainly wouldn't be running out of town to get my "for the alliance" buff being I que. I'd just, you know, stay in town and que as horde. And if we actually won 19/20 times and it was some kind of pvp paradise I'd do just that. But it's not, stop acting like these issues only happens to you. It's completely and utterly ridiculous.
because hey, who is unaffected by rated content or pve?
unless you are a random bg only hero, you probably are.
but the majority of players do other content, and so you have to look at the effects across the board.
unless you are a random bg only hero, you probably are.
but the majority of players do other content, and so you have to look at the effects across the board.
Most that post in here are random bg heroās only.10/27/2018 07:19 AMPosted by Hellpopbecause hey, who is unaffected by rated content or pve?
unless you are a random bg only hero, you probably are.
but the majority of players do other content, and so you have to look at the effects across the board.
nope10/27/2018 07:26 AMPosted by JugajrMost that post in here are random bg heroās only.10/27/2018 07:19 AMPosted by Hellpopbecause hey, who is unaffected by rated content or pve?
unless you are a random bg only hero, you probably are.
but the majority of players do other content, and so you have to look at the effects across the board.
they have time and again mentioned warfronts, pve and rated. go look at the threads.
Yep. Also looking at top pve guilds and top rated players? You can still pve and do rated Bgs/arenas as Alliance. I see rbg groups everyday, just not as many yolos.10/27/2018 07:29 AMPosted by Hellpopnope10/27/2018 07:26 AMPosted by Jugajr...Most that post in here are random bg heroās only.
they have time and again mentioned warfronts, pve and rated. go look at the threads.
Okay take the OP for example. 7/8 mythic. He didnāt have problems raiding despite this imbalance. Clearly heās talking about random Bgs.
10/27/2018 04:40 AMPosted by RidicruelWhy are people always convinced that these things aren't happening on the other side?
Do you think all horde groups have healers? Most don't.
Do you think horde alts are like "Hey, I"m in quest greens, losses have a small chance at loot. But I think I'll wait till I'm properly geared first"? They don't, they're there in quest greens too.
Tone down the "this only happens to us" victim mentality. Everything you deal with horde deals with. I play horde and pvp as alliance a great deal. It's pretty much the same on both sides, except that alliance tend to be more fun to play with. If it was this horror show you present I certainly wouldn't be running out of town to get my "for the alliance" buff being I que. I'd just, you know, stay in town and que as horde. And if we actually won 19/20 times and it was some kind of pvp paradise I'd do just that. But it's not, stop acting like these issues only happens to you. It's completely and utterly ridiculous.
From what I have been reading in the forums, no one is speaking in absolutes. I think it's understood that either faction will have such issues, Alliance just seems to be experiencing an excessive amount of these issues all rooted in low population. The majority of reasonable alliance responses have been: [Blizzard cannot fix this, it's a community issue], and I agree with that. One has to ask why more skilled players decide to play Horde. I say let this issue play out and when the only thing Horde can PvP are target dummies, perhaps something will change.
10/27/2018 07:26 AMPosted by JugajrMost that post in here are random bg heroās only.10/27/2018 07:19 AMPosted by Hellpopbecause hey, who is unaffected by rated content or pve?
unless you are a random bg only hero, you probably are.
but the majority of players do other content, and so you have to look at the effects across the board.
10/27/2018 07:35 AMPosted by JugajrOkay take the OP for example. 7/8 mythic. He didnāt have problems raiding despite this imbalance. Clearly heās talking about random Bgs.
so you're saying he's not a random bg hero only?
For as many skilled players that join horde, so do the ones who think being horde is auto win.
Correct heās one of the few who arenāt. Note I said āmostā not āallā10/27/2018 07:43 AMPosted by Hellpop<span class="truncated">...</span>Most that post in here are random bg heroās only.10/27/2018 07:35 AMPosted by JugajrOkay take the OP for example. 7/8 mythic. He didnāt have problems raiding despite this imbalance. Clearly heās talking about random Bgs.
so you're saying he's not a random bg hero only?
10/27/2018 03:58 AMPosted by DoragĆødxYou can't fix faction imbalance when Alliance already has better racials.
If you remove racials and create an even playing field to the T of racials then there's no incentive for people to waste money for faction changing apart from aesthetics.
The People will do what they want.
Iām not going to debate who has better racials but I do question why you keep saying this when all competitive game play is horde majority. Why is this if alliance have better racials? Do racials have no impact in competitive game play?
For as many skilled players that join horde, so do the ones who think being horde is auto win.
what is the percentage of horde in the top 40 of the rated pvp leaderboards?
10/27/2018 07:49 AMPosted by Hellpoptop 40 of the rated pvp leaderboards?
What is the percentage of alliance in the top 7 for 3s? And 16 of the top 40 are Alliance, so 40/60?
https://www.arenamate.net/?region=EU&realm=&rating=2200&ladder=3v3&faction=
and here is the other region. Clearly it's a community problem (if you can call it that) and people like Horde over here.
and here is the other region. Clearly it's a community problem (if you can call it that) and people like Horde over here.
10/27/2018 07:52 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 07:49 AMPosted by Hellpoptop 40 of the rated pvp leaderboards?
What is the percentage of alliance in the top 7 for 3s? And 16 of the top 40 are Alliance, so 40/60?
you didn't answer my question.
10/27/2018 08:03 AMPosted by Hellpop10/27/2018 07:52 AMPosted by Jugajr...
What is the percentage of alliance in the top 7 for 3s? And 16 of the top 40 are Alliance, so 40/60?
you didn't answer my question.
Yes I did
10/27/2018 08:04 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 08:03 AMPosted by Hellpop...
you didn't answer my question.
Yes I did
ok since you like to dodge
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/battlegrounds
top 40 pvp players in battlegrounds are Horde.
yes that's 100% Horde
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Yes I did
ok since you like to dodge
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/battlegrounds
top 40 pvp players in battlegrounds are Horde.
yes that's 100% Horde
Ah so you are going to ignore 3s, where the majority of pvpers hang out? Could have just asked me that bias question in the first place.