The balance is bad right now, anyone suggesting it isn't has no idea.
PVE is Horde dominated.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/leaderboards/mythic-raid/uldir?faction=HORDE
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pve/leaderboards/aegwynn/ataldazar
likewise for rated, Alliance still have better racials for certain classes but the problem lays with the 90% of the game, pve. If Horde is the king for everything PVE, then it ripples to PVP.
10/27/2018 08:10 AMPosted by Toughguyboblikewise for rated, Alliance still have better racials for certain classes but the problem lays with the 90% of the game, pve. If Horde is the king for everything PVE, then it ripples to PVP.
Only in this region is my point. EU is all Alliance for rated pvp
10/27/2018 08:13 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 08:10 AMPosted by Toughguyboblikewise for rated, Alliance still have better racials for certain classes but the problem lays with the 90% of the game, pve. If Horde is the king for everything PVE, then it ripples to PVP.
Only in this region is my point. EU is all Alliance for rated pvp
But this is the NA forums so we’re going to be discussing the parts that affect us.
10/27/2018 08:17 AMPosted by Jadei10/27/2018 08:13 AMPosted by Jugajr...
Only in this region is my point. EU is all Alliance for rated pvp
But this is the NA forums so we’re going to be discussing the parts that affect us.
I get that, but all this "Horde is favored, Blizz throws everything at them, Alliance racials suck" nonsense doesn't fly. This region has always preferred Horde and EU has always preferred Alliance.
ok let me get this straight, first you say that players are writing about what they don't participate in.<span class="truncated">...</span>
ok since you like to dodge
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/battlegrounds
top 40 pvp players in battlegrounds are Horde.
yes that's 100% Horde
Ah so you are going to ignore 3s, where the majority of pvpers hang out? Could have just asked me that bias question in the first place.
then when i refute that many players participate in multiple aspects of the game, you write about a mythic+pvp player who plays multiple aspects of the game which solidifies my stance.
now when i bring up the fact of over-representation of horde in pvp battleground leaderboards in the battleground forums, your first quote is arena figures (not battleground figures) which also favor horde. i counter with battleground figures.
i think the figures speak for themselves in favor of the horde in all respects.
now you bring up EU. do you have an EU account?
10/27/2018 08:13 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 08:10 AMPosted by Toughguyboblikewise for rated, Alliance still have better racials for certain classes but the problem lays with the 90% of the game, pve. If Horde is the king for everything PVE, then it ripples to PVP.
Only in this region is my point. EU is all Alliance for rated pvp
Do you care about politics in Romania?
No.
It has nothing to do with NA. Also, Horde is the PVE EU faction. The reason EU doesn't flock on the ladders is because they're way better pvpers than NA and realize the racials serve them better for arena. Though, the domination of alliance on EU has changed. Horde are the dom faction for EU rbgs, and 2s is 55/45. Only in 3s they dominate.
10/27/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Hellpopok let me get this straight, first you say that players are writing about what they don't participate in.
In this forum, yes, most are.
10/27/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Hellpopthen when i refute that many players participate in multiple aspects of the game, you write about a mythic+pvp player who plays multiple aspects of the game which solidifies my stance.
He has mythic raiding almost cleared (something that is also posted against Alliance even though the top pve guilds have nothing to do with a faction being able to do said content) and complaining about random BG winrates.
now when i bring up the fact about over-representation in the battleground forums, your first quote is arena figures
That's where most players are.
10/27/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Hellpop(not battleground figures) which also favor horde. i counter with battleground figures.
Nowhere have I said the ladder isn't dominated by Horde. What does this have to do with random bg winrates again?
i think the figures speak for themselves in favor of the horde in all respects.
anything else?
If there truly was Horde favoritism from Blizzard, we'd see it everywhere (note: wod)
10/27/2018 08:30 AMPosted by ToughguybobThe reason EU doesn't flock on the ladders is because they're way better pvpers than NA
Exactly. They are better pvp'ers. Same with Alliance in casual BGs. It's not only 20% wins for better players.
10/27/2018 08:34 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 08:30 AMPosted by ToughguybobThe reason EU doesn't flock on the ladders is because they're way better pvpers than NA
Exactly. They are better pvp'ers. Same with Alliance in casual BGs. It's not only 20% wins for better players.
A region being better at the game doesn't change the fact the balance is terrible. Why are you even denying it.
In the interest of both team balance and saving time, factions should not limit team class composition.
Just put both factions into a pool and form the team that way, red v blue. Or just implement horde v horde / ally v ally bg's.
Just put both factions into a pool and form the team that way, red v blue. Or just implement horde v horde / ally v ally bg's.
10/27/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Hellpopok let me get this straight, first you say that players are writing about what they don't participate in.
In this forum, yes, most are.10/27/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Hellpopthen when i refute that many players participate in multiple aspects of the game, you write about a mythic+pvp player who plays multiple aspects of the game which solidifies my stance.
He has mythic raiding almost cleared (something that is also posted against Alliance even though the top pve guilds have nothing to do with a faction being able to do said content) and complaining about random BG winrates.now when i bring up the fact about over-representation in the battleground forums, your first quote is arena figures
That's where most players are.10/27/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Hellpop(not battleground figures) which also favor horde. i counter with battleground figures.
Nowhere have I said the ladder isn't dominated by Horde. What does this have to do with random bg winrates again?i think the figures speak for themselves in favor of the horde in all respects.
anything else?
If there truly was Horde favoritism from Blizzard, we'd see it everywhere (note: wod)
why would players write about aspects they don't participate in, most aside from some with too much time on their hands or inflating post count may, but the majority do not.
never said there was any favoritism, those are solely your words. there is only an imbalance in the factions which is quite obvious from the figures.
you started this whole debate on the argument that people are writing about what they do not participate in.
you don't participate in the EU system, yet you bring it up.
so i think your initial stance may be coming back to bite you.
10/27/2018 08:38 AMPosted by Toughguybob10/27/2018 08:34 AMPosted by Jugajr...
Exactly. They are better pvp'ers. Same with Alliance in casual BGs. It's not only 20% wins for better players.
A region being better at the game doesn't change the fact the balance is terrible. Why are you even denying it.
Because it's not a Blizzard problem. What do you think they should do to re-balance it? Racials are fine, so what else would be holding more Horde?
10/27/2018 08:40 AMPosted by Hellpopnever said there was any favoritism
Not you, but that is the number one complaint from posters
10/27/2018 08:19 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 08:17 AMPosted by Jadei...
But this is the NA forums so we’re going to be discussing the parts that affect us.
I get that, but all this "Horde is favored, Blizz throws everything at them, Alliance racials suck" nonsense doesn't fly. This region has always preferred Horde and EU has always preferred Alliance.
I 100% agree that the claims of faction bias are bullspit. It’s player mentality more than anything. If these forums are any indication, alliance put themselves at a disadvantage by just believing one exists.
I’m having fun in randoms as alliance. We win more than we lose as a 2 man. We have some really competitive games and very few stomps. I have no real complaints about randoms.
10/27/2018 08:40 AMPosted by JugajrBecause it's not a Blizzard problem. What do you think they should do to re-balance it? Racials are fine, so what else would be holding more Horde?
It's like you missed the entire point.
Horde racials are way better in PVE, so every compettive PVE guild goes Horde as the racial has a huge impact in their fights, Sco the leader of Method talked about this on a podcast that Blizzard has to buff Alliance racials for PVERs to swtich as they will play the better faction.
Blizzard can fix it. They buff Alliance racials and offer free faction changes from horde to alliance only and turn it off once the numbers reach a decent balance, then the rest will pay their way to move. At this point there wouldn't be a dominate faction like there is now as Horde the disparity is bigger than it ever has been now.
10/27/2018 08:42 AMPosted by Jadei10/27/2018 08:19 AMPosted by Jugajr...
I get that, but all this "Horde is favored, Blizz throws everything at them, Alliance racials suck" nonsense doesn't fly. This region has always preferred Horde and EU has always preferred Alliance.
I 100% agree that the claims of faction bias are bullspit. It’s player mentality more than anything. If these forums are any indication, alliance put themselves at a disadvantage by just believing one exists.
I’m having fun in randoms as alliance. We win more than we lose as a 2 man. We have some really competitive games and very few stomps. I have no real complaints about randoms.
Exactly. That's my entire point.
10/27/2018 08:46 AMPosted by Toughguybob10/27/2018 08:40 AMPosted by JugajrBecause it's not a Blizzard problem. What do you think they should do to re-balance it? Racials are fine, so what else would be holding more Horde?
It's like you missed the entire point.
Horde racials are way better in PVE, so every compettive PVE guild goes Horde as the racial has a huge impact in their fights, Sco the leader of Method talked about this on a podcast that Blizzard has to buff Alliance racials for PVERs to swtich as they will play the better faction.
Blizzard can fix it. They buff Alliance racials and offer free faction changes from horde to alliance only and turn it off once the numbers reach a decent balance, then the rest will pay their way to move. At this point there wouldn't be a dominate faction like there is now as Horde the disparity is bigger than it ever has been now.
And you really think this will help those in random BGs who complain about it right now?
It's not going to eradicate it, but it will help it. You're being very selective with what you want to argue. First you focus on balance, then you jump to rated, then you jump to eu rated, then say it's gotta be 3's. Just stop lol.
Won't help those back peddling people lol10/27/2018 08:56 AMPosted by Jugajr10/27/2018 08:46 AMPosted by Toughguybob...
It's like you missed the entire point.
Horde racials are way better in PVE, so every compettive PVE guild goes Horde as the racial has a huge impact in their fights, Sco the leader of Method talked about this on a podcast that Blizzard has to buff Alliance racials for PVERs to swtich as they will play the better faction.
Blizzard can fix it. They buff Alliance racials and offer free faction changes from horde to alliance only and turn it off once the numbers reach a decent balance, then the rest will pay their way to move. At this point there wouldn't be a dominate faction like there is now as Horde the disparity is bigger than it ever has been now.
And you really think this will help those in random BGs who complain about it right now?
10/27/2018 09:00 AMPosted by ToughguybobFirst you focus on balance, then you jump to rated, then you jump to eu rated, then say it's gotta be 3's. Just stop lol.
Well, rated is rated no matter which region. It's not like they are playing with different Alliance racials and succeeding. I actually prefer less Alliance since it gives me a lower queue time lol