The Horde will never change without punishments

What does that have to do with it? Even Blizz called the War of Thorns genocide so…

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Regardless… answer the question, does an act that completely negates the enemy an act of War or Genocide?

blizz doesn’t define words is his point, they could call it anything they want

they could call the bombing of theramore a genocide, or the purge of dal a genocide
it doesn’t make them so innately

Genocide. Civilians don’t participate in a war and since there were only innocents left in the tree, it was aimed directly at civilians and ONLY at civilians. The night elf army was already defeated at that point and since it wiped off most night elves, it’s considered genocide.

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According to YOU.

Others would see it as negating the Night Elf ability to ship Azerite to the Alliance with minimal casualties for the Horde.

I’m often curious as to how the majority of the player base views war. Like some sort of quasi-Valhalla where we beat the crap out of each other then go for a pint after?

That is not War. War is ugly, brutal, horrific and usually it is the civilians who suffer the most.
Folks want to play a game called World of Warcraft? Then step up and engage in war.
OR you can just stand about in your respective capitals duelling each other to see who has the biggest…weapon.

EDIT: and pursuant to your “Civilians don’t participate in war” Oh? Who grows the food? Makes the weapons? Provides logistics and attain resources for the army? Civilians usually.

mmm punish me daddy!

but somehow only when the horde does it :thinking:

As it was said in the warbringers, it’s not war, it’s hatred.

War=hatred, Hatred leads to War. One does not wage war when they like someone.

There is a difference between going to war for new lands and ressources and going to war just to kill as many as possible and almost wipe a race out of existence

civilians are valid targets in total war
civilians very very much participate in the war effort, and in total war (the thing that the wow factions keep getting into) civilian targets and infrastructure is hit just as much and sometimes even more than purely military targets

war doesn’t work in this “only hit the guy with a gun” sort of thinking, it never has and unfortunately it never will

or to secure your borders, as most nations have done in the past
they didn’t go to war to wipe a race out of existence

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Yeah that whole “You’ll never enter the promised land, I won’t permit it, but thanks for bringing my people out of Egypt…” thing sure screams “My God is with me”

you missed half the story of the promised land.

moses himself was never promised entry into the promised land, he was shown it and his people would one day enter it
there wasn’t abandonment and throughout “god” communicated quite clearly

I can’t with you - I seriously can not.

The level of done that we are is not easily described.

Yes. Him and many others lead to the burning of Teldrassil. Not intending to twist your words because I’m not looking to agree on the how because all that really matters is he was responsible in some way shape or form and he’s dead as a result. Like how they put Al Capone away for tax evasion. Hopefully we won’t have to worry about him ever again.

dude you’re the one using a story and going away from what the story is as an “example” of how a god can both empower and abandon, expect that in your example god was in constant communication and never went back on his word

The mass murderer of defenseless civilians that does not mean an amenasa is a war crime. affected if there is intentionality or purposes that differ from the definition that you will have genocide.

You can call it or not Genocide but if you intend to deny that it is a war crime you are quite bad.

Anyway and I will commit a small fallacy of authority.

We do not know the criminal code of Azheront and we only assume that it is the same as ours.

Anduin is a legal Authority in Asherot and is therefore intruded into his code of criminal justice if he calls it genocide it is.

He is a king and he dictates the laws.

If he had to judge Sylvanas he would find her guilty of Genocide.

If the king of Stormwind qualifies with the same severity the intentional or reckless acts with the planned ones because they are played with the same ceverity.

so was sylvanas, so was garrosh, thrall, baine, blah blah blah

that’s not how international anything works, for something to be even a war crime it first has to be agreed upon by the majority to be so

that doesn’t make it correct.

anduin isn’t the world

ANDUIN ISN’T THE RULER OF AZEROTH

jesus he can barely get the alliance to adhere to his rules, why on earth would he be the dictator of international rules?

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You should probably keep in mind, there is a very large part of the horde that have been against this ridiculous blatant evil warmongering since the start.

The players themselves cannot control the narratives that the Devs force them through.

How exactly do you propose to “Punish” the horde exactly? Especially seeing how we fixed the issue? Or at least tried to, slyvanas ran away like a coward at the end.

Also, the horde is already changing, have you looked at any of the 8.3 stuff? The warchief position is no longer a thing, it’s been dissolved, and there has been massive restructuring of horde leadership, the cleaning up of messes Sylvanas made, and the isolation and removal of traitors.

You say the horde won’t change, but we’ve already seen a pretty massive change starting from the top down.

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I mean as long as they haven’t returned Darkshore & Ashenvale to the Night Elves, helped them rebuild it and apologized for everything the horde did, I see no real changes here.

It’s probably due to Blizz’s laziness but still…