Tyrande at this point is just the straw man version of someone’s editors notes.
And what is wrong with that? Why should Horde lives be killed for no reason other than to save Alliance lives during a tenuous cease fire at best?
I mean…according to you we were still at war. Why should Horde lives be sacrificed for the enemy?
I would expect the same from the Alliance.
He did not mention the Loa when he was stabbed.
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We can retire together, but to be honest, only you have a route from espape ,The legion let them go and focused on us.
The move of both the Legion and what I plan for Voljin’s fall were to cause the Conflict.
The horde did not do much to clear his name, the Alliance only saw that the Horde withdrew and left him trapped .
The players know the context because we see both parts.
The Alliance did not find out until much later.
Sylvanas does not try in the least to solve the misunderstanding
Strangely departed Helheim
Why?
Not a suspect?
Maybe she had something to do with the Voljin
The game is better off without his chin taking up the screen lol.
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Yes and no? While we are technically a focal point in the storyline we aren’t technically the Horde or the Alliance when it comes to the actual game’s storyline. We’re actually no name players and major NPCs fill our place in the storyline to tell the lore of what happened and who succeeded whereas in the gameplay it says we’re the person who did x, y, and z. But, technically it’s not actually legit.
However,
No one in the narrative thus far is technically saying that? A majority of the horde left over either more than likely didn’t agree with a single thing Sylvanas did, or realized Sylvanas is a meanie and wants nothing to do with her.
Also, it wasn’t necessarily like any of us actually saw this happening though. It was all Sylvanas’ plan because she didn’t think the Alliance could forget anything that happened prior to BfA thus she made Saurfang try and weaken their hope which ultimately failed. However, we now know it’s mostly because she just wants to kill the world.
Saurfang, Baine, Lor’themar, Thrall, and probably even Thalyssra were not down for anything going on which you can see throughout a lot of the text when you talk to them, and the storyline. Which is also the major makeup of the horde leaders now which will also be what makes up the Horde Council that replaces Warchief title.
The Horde Council is meant to stop the possibility of corrupt leaders like Garrosh and Sylvanas. Which, again no one was going to expect Sylvanas to be corrupt especially since Vol’jin, a trusted horde leader said he had a vision saying she should be the next leader.
Another thing, almost everyone who would’ve disagreed couldn’t have possibly outright rebelled against Sylvanas at any point because, as you’ve seen with Thomas Zelling, almost Saurfang and Baine, she sends people to either kill them or she kills them outright.
Because there have been at least a number of horde that have known something is bad and wanted to act against it with the Alliance.
No, they just understand that not everyone in the Horde is bad. Just like there are bad Alliance, but not everyone in the Alliance is bad. Same goes for horde. There are bad Horde members, but not everyone in the Horde is bad.
The people who did negative things under the Horde’s banner should be punished, but not everyone that is in the Horde should be punished for someone’s actions. It wouldn’t necessarily make any sense. Just like there are Horde members trying to weed out the leftover Sylvanas Loyalists.
The Horde also had nothing to do with that bombing either, it was purely Garrosh and his little group of true hordies. I think the only argument you can make of that was that the elves turned a blind eye, but they did that specifically because of the Warchief to my understanding.
Actually while Vol’jin was in leadership it worked out just fine. The only reason it stopped was because of Sylvanas.
Edit: I’d like to add on to my point of not everyone is bad in either factions. That also means you more than likely shouldn’t place all these big baddies you have in your head and say they’re the entirety of the Horde, since again there are Horde civilians who had no part in this and are just living their slice of life, or there are Hordies that are just following orders and know if they step out of line it could potentially get them killed. Again, not everyone is bad, so assuming every single horde member is bad would be false.
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A lot of hordies from my understanding have had an issue with the storytelling since Garrosh. I can’t speak for the entirety of Horde members, but from my perspective the story telling on the Horde’s side has been bad and I’ve wanted a consistent Warchief since Garrosh got turned into a statue by Green Jesus.
I’ve seen a number of forum threads on either side, and comments in threads on either side, stating that they do believe the storytelling thus far isn’t that great. There are tons of people on either side of the coin that like Sylvanas, like the story so far, or hate it, and hate what they’ve done to Sylvanas. So it’s not really a you guys it’s more of a subjective opinion from person to person.
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I’d love if Tyrande would obliterate her way through Darkshore to Ashenvale’s border, build a Great-wall-of-nope (Like the Tauren did for Mulgore), and could just snatch up the Focusing Iris & Tsunami Orgrimmar / Durotar wiping out Horde in the Numbers, whilst Malfurion & a mass of Nightelves succeeded in Wailing Caverns what was failed to be done so many years ago - But also unexpectedly enhanced greatly (And dangerously) by the Botani that infiltrated through the time-gateway and cause the Barrens to become a savage Gorgrond-like Jungle landscape, which the Centaur find opportunistic & slay Horde by the numbers too.
After that, I’d feel a little sated. “Yep Hordies, actions have consequences. And those consequences can cause a domino effect.”
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It would be nice, but apparently dropping an undead archer’s HP to 30% is enough revenge and also enough to forgive.
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as if we didn’t get punished with the blood elf character spam from BC till now XD
horde only commits their crimes because the alliance is too stupid to stay away from them. if they left the horde alone, it would’nt be attacking them in the first place. alliance is on the horde’s doorstep? horde blows up the base. alliance still have a giant tree-home nearby and refuse to leave? of COURSE the horde burns it down, it was inevitable!
…also, lordaeron getting plagued was inevitable too. it was either gonna be taken over by the alliance, or destroyed… just gonna say, that was the only time sylvanas made the right call this war imo. everything else was her being crazy.
Oh My!! some of us Horde might enjoy a good spanking…
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I keep saying to myself everyday how many war crimes has the Alliance committed which is numerous Yes I played alliance too so believe me I know how many war crimes Alliance have committed and never got shouted about no trials held.
Yea Alliance really should be brought into court over its many crimes especially the genocide of the Centaur race in Thousand Needles it committed to steal their oil when the Horde offered an honest gold price.
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Sensitivity training.
yes… an ‘honest’ gold price… definitely nothing we also stole from the bottom of thousand needles…
but seriously… ahem
what about CaMp TaUrAjO?
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Actually if you did the quest the Horde pays for the Oil.
i did? we do the exact same quests as the alliance, but with different races. literally just did these quests the other day.
You didn’t know she killed his son?
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You mean besides invading his kingdom, killing his people, blighting the land, turning everyone who wasn’t a Worgen into Undead and killing the Crown Prince Liam, AKA Genn’s son, all while turning Genn and every other living Gilnean into an exile?
Absolutely nothing.
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the word is canon, and that’s not how any of that works
when quests give you options there is only one canon option, this isn’t merely exclusive to WoW but every game has this
the very act of lore forces there to be only one actually canon option with…literally anything
had zero players took the opportunity to kill npcs it’d sstill be canon (or not) and had every single player took it it’d still be canon (or not)
in this case the canon is that, there was no straight up slaughter, Delaryn lied
she used previously deceased and some that died during that battle to stage a specific scenario, the “civilians” you see are soldiers of the night elven army dressed up to paint a worse situation than it was
there was a good reason to do that, namely to set a trap
but canonically? yeah there was no slaughter.
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What’s the source for that? On the alliance side the town was full of dead civilians and Delaryn said that not even civilians were spared. Also there are forsaken assassins all over the town saying stuff like “Do you hear their screams?”
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