The Horde will never change without punishments

Orgrimmar just wait to 8.3

Technically at this time we are allies.

We allied with those who defeated the war chief who controlled the horde at this time.

ho otherwise we had not signed a treaty just a truce since garrosh

So technically we have been at war for 8 years.

You know…I hadn’t thought about it before but that might explain Varian’s death and the rise of the Boy King:

“Hey, we really put the Horde in a box when we wrote Varian saying that. The next time the Horde does anything of note we just had Varian promise all-out war.”

“Hmmm, damn, you’re right. Any bright ideas?”

“Yes, Varian gets Heroic Death #73™. Then Anduin takes over and doesn’t agree with his father’s position. We get out of this with no problem at all.”

“Hey, I like it! Get the team in here, we’re going to re-write the Legion opening - we have a King to kill!”

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Oh. So there was not a peace treaty SIGNED. And they are working together.

So…try that again?

Technically at this time we are allies.

We allied with those who defeated the war chief who controlled the horde at this time.

ho otherwise we had not signed a treaty just a truce since garrosh

So technically we have been at war for 8 years.

At this moment we are in truce.

But in 8.3 we will sign a formal peace

Ok. But you specifically said a peace treaty was signed. Which would some how mean the Zandalari and Princess would be fine with working with Jaina.

Why is it an issue for members of the Alliance to work with the Horde during a team of being Allies…but not the other way around?

We were not at work to start Legion.

At this time, despite not seeing Talaji, he has not protested the ceasefire and subsequent treaty.

Although not Abandoned Zandalar.

The Zandalari becoming part of the Horde enter into the Treaty.

Sorry for the Spoiler but the horde completely signed the treaty in 8.3

The only person who did not sign the Treaty was Tyrande.

I don’t care about 8.3

Because I am talking about before 8.3. Where there is no signed treaty. They are already working with Jaina. So any treaty in 8.3 is not relevant.

Talanji was not at the Meeting, anyway you get confused the one who gave the order to kill King Trol was Genn, Jaina has as much involvement as any other leader.

Negotiations with the horde began after the defeat of Azshara.

Jaina was central to the attack on the city. Without her, there is no attack.

And the Horde and Alliance worked together before the defeat of Azshara.

???

Do you mean Baine’s rescue?

That and Nazjatar is a ceasefire but we continue at war.

Let’s be fair here, he was given the opportunity to surrender before we went HAM on him.

Yes, but the horde will never understand that.

Nor do they want to acknowledge that the Bwonsamdi Power killed him

In fact, Talaji is more upset with Los than with us.

She says that she is angry but that she will not be dishonest either, so it is difficult to break the truce.

I don’t think punishments will stop writers from writing how they want. Death of characters hasn’t even done that.

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Just like the Alliance don’t want to acknowledge their own failings caused King Varian to die. Not Sylvanas ordering a retreat to a trap at the Broken Shore.

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That does not mean that they left us as a decoy to escape first.

besides you never know what Sylvanas thinks

But they didn’t. They just withdrew because of the trap that was directly caused by the failings of the Alliance.

The Horde warchief had just died. They were being over run. They had no choice.

Vol’jin all but told Sylvanas to retreat.

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look what I understand you or we chose and preferred the skin itself.

Vol’jin was not the same that day, something was hindering and manipulating him.

I know what those words mean individually. Not all together like that.

I am talking about on the battlefield. Not when he declared sylvanas warchief later after the retreat.

He told Sylvanas not to let the Horde die that day. Continuing to fight a losing battle, in a clear trap would have killed the Horde.

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Sorry for the language:

You preferred to save your own skin.

It means you preferred to save yourself.

Me too, he says he was stunned that Loa wasn’t helping him.

It is not complicated that when he was stabbed they whisper that to the Ear.

I knew something that would unleash a war and that we would kill each other.