Fake news.
I hope you mean Kael’thas.
The elves abandoned the Alliance, the Alliance did not abandon the elves. This has been firmly established in the lore since WC3.
Like, seriously, I’ll never understand why BE players go so far to villainize the Alliance, like, you’re already on the Horde, you don’t need to make up facts to justify it. It’s better to just tell MhPs to suck it, then to make up BS about how Sylvanas saved what remained of the elves (which she didn’t btw) and how the Alliance abandoned the elves when it was Anasterian who chose to secede from the Alliance.
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So you’re talking about when the guy was proven wrong by the community. Gotcha. Still fake news.
Remember when Blizzard thought Kurdran was dead?
community? You’re talking about the high elves fans of the alliance!
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He also said the Zandalari wouldn’t get dino druid forms because it wouldn’t make sense with Druid lore, and that old races wouldn’t get new customization because they were working on Allied Races. A day later, Zandalari dino druid forms were datamined, and a week later, gold eyes for belves and straight backs for orcs.
If the man can’t even keep on track with what his developers are doing, I’m not going to take him as some kind of guru when it comes to the lore. Even Chris Metzen was man enough to go, “Oh, I’m wrong about that,” when a fan corrected him when he thought Falstad Wildhammer was dead.
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Was it really Falstad? I thought it was Kurdran? Lol I honestly can’t remember now.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ian_Bates
Transcript
The Red Shirt Guy : Hello. I have- I just finished reading The Shattering yesterday… and I noticed something. It said that Falstad Wildhammer was going to be on the Council of Three Hammers, but in the beta it’s Kurdran Wildhammer, and Falstad is not in the game at all. What happened to him?
Chris Metzen : Isn’t Falstad dead? …from, uh, Day of the Dragon ? …No?
The Red Shirt Guy : No, he survived, and, in fact, he is- was the leader of Aerie Peak in vanilla WoW and through Wrath of the Lich King.
Chris Metzen : Right, of course. Uh. Yeah, Alex, what’s up with that?
Alex Afrasiabi : Dismissive noise Thanks, thanks for pointing that out. We’re gonna get that fixed.
The Red Shirt Guy : Thank you!
Alex Afrasiabi : You bet.
Resounding cheers
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Falstad. They thought Falstad was dead.
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I wish Blizzard cared as much about keeping the Horde unique, special, and interesting, as much as they care about keeping Blood Elves one of a kind.
Under Garrosh they looked to the alliance because of Lor’Themar’s willingness to look for his people more than trying to uphold allegiances. It’s just as we saw in WC3, they saw themselves being threatened by the Alliance in Garithos and Dalaran’s willingness to imprison the leader of the elves. Lor’themar saw something similar in Garrosh that Kael’thas saw in Garithos.
That wasn’t the Alliance, that was Shattarath. The Aldor Draenei and the Scyer Blood Elves. Velen had a great hand in things, sure, but he acted as a priest of the Light more than leader of the Draenei in that moment.
Thrall’s Horde included Blood Elves for a few years in BC and Wrath. He was Warcheif then as well. Just because it was after classic doesn’t mean Thrall suddenly disappeared.
Time and again I have to continue to keep the integrity of Blood Elves for petes’ sake, Blood Elves! What next? Do I have to convince people that orcs are fit for the Horde as well? Ridiculous.
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Hot Take: 3 of the ‘classic’ horde races are just different flavours of the same boring noble savage trope with varying degrees of racist undertones.
Breaking the formula and introducing blood elves was a good thing
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Breaking the formula was fine. Introducing belves was not. Goblins would’ve been a more useful addiction to break the mold of, ‘Noble Savage.’ Heck, Zandalari could’ve been an excellent addition. Ogri’la Ogres (the enlightened ones) could’ve given us, not noble savages, but civilized monsters. That would’ve meshed really well with noble-savage as well, without utterly subverting it.
You don’t make a bouquet of roses and then put a dandylion in it and call it diverse.
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she is half nakey though
except the way they added them didnt really break the formula and the racist undertones remained, particularly strong, with the way the horde developed post cataclysm
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For once the Horde actually feels like the Horde. Not some red version of the Alliance with only Elves on it. But then these players all play Undead instead in Classic because it’s the most human looking race on the Horde similar to how Blood Elves look the most human on the Horde in retail. Never trust a Horde who says “humans are boring that’s why I don’t play Alliance” because it is nonsense seeing how the most played Horde races are the ones that look the most human. It’s not because the Alliance has humans that people play Horde, people want to be humans and look human but it’s because Horde has been manufactured as the popular faction that Blizzard wants you to play and they bribed people to play it by introducing Blood Elves in TBC which are just humans with pointy ears.
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Pretty sure the Blood elves who followed Umbric did.
Pretty sure Void elves said exactly that. But then again maybe Void elves are less racist than Blood elves.
Sit there and wish your time away, while the Horde Blood Elf Players live the dream.
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I will not belittle those who play BEs and enjoy them, but there were better options available to Blizzard to balance out player numbers in the factions than giving Horde a “pretty” race to play. Revamping Character creation/customization earlier on chief among them. If more body type, stance, and face options were given to players than people could still find combinations of Orc, Troll and Tauren that were “pretty” in their eyes.
The Blood Elves may have been outcasts, but they are completely lacking in the tribal, spiritual, honorific warrior culture of the rest of the Horde. You may say Forsaken are lacking in that aspect as well, but they were 1 race out of 4.
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Wrong reasoning, but you’re sort of on the right page. It’s been proven that Lor’themar isn’t so much as interested in his own people, as he is interested in power. Hence why he betrayed Kael’thas and took over the remaining Blood Elves on Azeroth. There’s a reason there’s such a great divide between High Elves and Blood Elves. You have your loyalists, High Elves, and your traitors, Blood Elves.
An Alliance leader and one of his deities cleansed the Sunwell. If Elune sacrificed herself to help someone, would that not be an Alliance action? Come on bro. The cleansing of the Sunwell was so clearly an Alliance action.
Nah. Anything after Classic is just Blood Elves R Us Horde, not Thrall’s Horde.
No. It’s this mindset that gave us BFA’s writing. Don’t try to fix what was never broken in the first place. Too much liberalism is toxic for a story. The factions should have both kept their core roots, not try to homogenize into each other.
Don’t need to wish any more. I’m playing Classic. The story is great, and it makes sense. I don’t see Horde Blood Elves, or Horde Paladins. You can keep your mistakes with whatever few people who still play Retail, I’ll be enjoying WoW at the peak of its story, with the rest of the true Warcraft fans.