Nah, this is the important part:
Also, I don’t think you have a citation for this:
Kael’thas never stripped Lor’themar of his title or declared Lor’themar a traitor. So Lor’themar does still represent the old political body.
Yes he did. Hence why he assaulted and took back over his own land, lol.
Besides, it would be clear to anyone that Lor’themar is now acting on his own ar this point, since he actively had Prince Kael’thas killed. Those actions were not done for Kael’thas, as those are not what Kael’thas wanted done.
Citation needed.
If Kael’thas hadn’t been corrupted by the fel, it probably would have been what Kael’thas wanted.
All the people who won their freedom from tyrannical despots through the course of history might disagree with you.
True, but considering the old system meant become demon flunkies or dead, I’m sure they have no issues. If you’re talking about pre-Legion sellout Kael’thas political body…again, do they care? I doubt it. It’s still Quel’thalas.
Possibly because they care more about hanging with their human buddies than they did about their home nation. What? You actually think they had loyalty to Kael’thas? That’s a laughable notion.
And loyalty pledges are a two way street. People pledge loyalty to kings with the expectancy that the king will do his job and lead his people in way that they can prosper. If he starts to serve his own indulgences at their cost, be it by extended war campaign so he can rule over more lands, lots of material wealth for himself, etc… Well…that’s how rebellions tend to happen.
Kael’thas failed his duty as ruler of Quel’thalas. He might have tried at some point, sure, but he still failed. After he failed, he betrayed them to the Legion so, in the end, he’s the one who is the traitor.
Guys, it’s almost 5 in the morning. It’s way too early for this nonsense.
Trying to figure out how someone lands on this idea.
They overthrew the political body to form their own. So yes, they would. America doesn’t represent Britain.
Wow. That’s harsh. That’s like in Halo 2 when the Arbiter is being punished for failing to protect the Halo Ring that Master Chief destroyed. Branded as a heretic and traitor for doing everything that he could, and it just not being enough.
It’s okay. I know.
Where do you think Sylvanas is going to lead the Night Elves now that she’s their sovereign Queen? I mean she conquered their capital, so she’s now their leader right? She represents the Night Elves’ interests?
You do realize that’s how she became Banshee Queen of the Forsaken, right?
That’s a case of colonies of an empire wanting to govern themselves because the King of Britain was being a doofus. Quel’thalas isn’t a colony of Quel’thalas. I get what you’re trying to say though. Quel’thalas under Lorthemar isn’t the same Quel’thalas that was under Kael’thas.
That’s actually true. Go and click on Lorthemar and he says QUel’thalas will never again be ruled by a King, so I guess you can’t really call it a “Kingdom” anymore.
I see no issues with this.
Except Arbiter didn’t give up and choose the cop out solution by selling out to the enemy of all either, like Kael’thas did.
You’re not the boss of me.
That’s how we got Undead Night Elves Horde side, isn’t it?
Tyrande and Malfurion also didn’t appoint Sylvanas Regent Lord of Teldrassil before Tyrande and Malfurion joined the Legion, either. So, to use your own words:
Here’s a hypothetical.
Instead of joining the Legion, Kael’thalas chooses to stick around (or come back to) Quel’thalas to lead his people at home without Legion influence. He then takes Sylvanas’s offer and joins the Horde, just like Lorthemar did.
What then?
Then yes, the Blood Elves that we know of today would have been representative of Quel’thalas and we could all leave here in agreement.
Kael’thas never allied with the Horde though. He never even considered them as a potential ally as they were his, once upon a time, direct enemies.
Or, I guess at least, the Old Horde was. But ya know, I doubt the difference matters to many who are/were in the Alliance. The Horde is the Horde to them.
Also, going to go out on a limb here and make the assumption that Anastarian Sunstrider, the last official KING of Quel’thalas, wouldn’t have approved of Kael’thas’s actions.
Nah. Lor’themar’s Blood Elves and Kael’thas’ Blood Elves are completely different factions. Just like how Thalssrya’s Nightborne and Elisande’s Nightborne are different factions.
Lol actually thinking about it, the similarities between the two, Blood Elves and Nightborne, is almost ridiculous. It’s almost like Blizzard just copy/pasted the story.
Editting: That’s a lot of editting you did and now I forgot what was even originally posted there, lol.
Yes. We’ve already established that. It’s still Quel’thalas though, and it’s also still Suramar.
This is a surprise to you?
PS: I’m going to bed. It’s late and I have work tomorrow.
Yes. I think I’m also done here for now. Let’s just agree to disagree, lol. I have a really bad headache for like no reason. Idk where it came from. Maybe I’ll pick back up later and see what people say. But, they already know my stance on the matter. So ya know, arguing isn’t really gonna be productive.
AFTER he betrayed them by joining the Legion. Don’t ignore stuff to suit your half-baked argument, your attempt to paint Lor’themar as a tyrant just to try and criticize their allegiance to anything but the Alliance is laughably transparent and flimsy.