That’s a negative. Kael’thas represented Quel’thalas. And yes, once upon a time Lor’themar did too, while he was in service to Kael. This was stripped, however, due to his betrayal of Prince Kael’thas. Kael’thas acknowledged that Lor’themar was a traitor, and so Lor’themar now acts upon his own volition, and no longer represents Kael’thas and Quel’thalas.
Yes. She lead the rebellion that ultimately killed Elisande, no?
Just because you’re the good guy, that doesn’t make you any less of a traitor.
Not sure what your point is. Was this made just to attack me personally, or…?
People aren’t objects. When Kael’thas betrayed his people and sold his soul to Kil’jaeden for power, he proved himself fully and completely unworthy of his title, of his rule, and his people. His people disowned him, and even tried to promote his Regent-Lord to King.
Kael’thas had to be taken down for the same reason Azshara had to be. They turned on their people for the power of the Legion.
Chronicle: Volume III, Page 144:
Some small part of Kael'thas knew he should not trust the Legion, especially after what it had done to his kingdom. But he could not resist the temptation of fel magic. The prospect of finding new ways to feed on the dark energy dominated his thoughts and made all else secondary.
Page 157:
Little was left of the elf's mind. He was now Kil'jaeden's loyal servant, and he would do whatever his master asked of him.
Once again you’re either choosing to ignore or you’re overlooking the fact that the people of Quel’thalas currently don’t care about that. They saw that Kael’thas had joined the Legion, they saw he helped Kil’Jaeden take the Sunwell, they saw he was a threat, and thus joined Lor’themar in defiance of their former prince.
In short, Kael’thas more or less got voted out of power.
I guess your next argument is “Quel’thalas doesn’t represent Quel’thalas”?
Kael’thas didn’t betray his people. They assaulted him in Tempest Keep and murdered him. Not the other way around.
And no, people aren’t objects. They are subjects.
And again, no. Kael’thas proved no such thing. Lor’themar had him killed because he didn’t agree with him. And it’s not even like it was a unanimous decision. Kael’thas still had a very large following, all the way to his grave.
The only reason that Kael’thas is painted as a villain at all, is because the victors are the ones that write the history books. If Kael’thas had routed the traitors, then Lor’themar would’ve gone down in history as a villain instead, as opposed to the false hero he is known as now.
No. On top of the fact that we’re talking about two completely different stories and motivations… Azshara actively started purging her own lands of those who were not Highborne. That is not at all what Kael’thas did. Not even close. Very, very bad comparison.
Again, no. The current political body that resides in Silvermoon City is not the same as Kael’thas political body. It is a group that rebelled against their Prince and took over the country for themselves. Regardless of what they call themselves, they are not the same faction. So no, they do not represent the Kingdom of Quel’thalas.
After their Prince was killed. And that’s if there were even survivors at all. Because the majority of them were also murdered, right alongside Kael’thas.
I suppose you have the Blood Elf Demon Hunters as proof of some survivors of Kael’thas’ followers, but ya know.
Then you won’t find them any more, would you? They would have been loyal to the Legion rather than Quel’Thalas any way.
"Several weeks ago a number of the Sunfury forces returned to us."
Renthar’s and Aurora’s eyes rounded with disbelief. It gave Lor’themar a smug, but hollow, satisfaction.
“By the Sunwell,” Aurora said softly. “I cannot say I ever thought they would.”
Aurora spoke again. “I suppose this is what you came to tell us of.”
“Yes,” Lor’themar replied.
“Then feel free to leave,” said Renthar.
Lor’themar closed his eye. “There is one more thing.” This would be the hardest.
“Is there?” Renthar’s voice was flat. “Well?”
“Since the Sunfury have returned to us,” Lor’themar began, “and our position in the Ghostlands is more… secure… the Farstriders are finding themselves stretched a bit less. They - I - would send you regular supplies.”
And who gets to decide which political bodies remain in power? Usually it’s the people in some form or another. In this case, who was able to amass the most followers and/or the most allies?
In the end, Lorthemar and his side won, so they get to lead Quel’thalas and represent its current interests, irregardless of whether they fell in like with Kael’thas’s interests (or, for that matter, Alliance interests).
But…don’t you realize? If Keal’thas joined the Legion it was the solemn duty of Lorthemar and Quel’thalas to join the Legion too! Aren’t You Hearing What’s Being Said Here, Man ! ? ! ? !
I already said some survived. They still only joined Lor’themar after Kael’thas death.
Actually Kael’thas, but numbers aren’t everything, of course.
Yes, Lor’themar’s side did win. And yes, they do now get to rule the land that was once ruled by the Kingdom of Quel’thalas. And your point? They got a chance to form their own identity from the remainsn of what once was. Cool. But that doesn’t mean they represented the old political body now.
Why do you think there were so many High Elves that remained loyal to the old Kingdom and refused to go along with Lor’themar’s regime?
Lol, well yes. I’m sure Lor’themar and all of the military, and perhaps even the entire people, pledged their allegience to the Sunstrider dynasty.
Whether you consider Lor’themar a hero or a villain is irrelavent in the objective fact that he betrayed Kael’thas, and so he is a traitor.
)