We weren’t laughing when Garrosh was defeated. We got to watch Varian do what everyone knew was a meaningless finger wag, got to read about how territory was being given to the Horde in the name of peace, and got to hand Garrosh over to some pandas for a ridiculous trial. Honestly I would prefer to have either the Horde or N’zoth “win” than have the Alliance “win” like that again. Particularly if it comes with an ironclad guarantee that we never have to redo this “As the Horde Turns” plot again.
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Lol no. When they wanted to do that to Illidan, they wrote a book detailing how he was actually the good guy. In Sylvanas’s book, they rewrote her so she was TOTALLY ALWAYS YOU GUYS a cancer on her people that HAS NEVER UNDERSTOOD THEM AT ALL and is an active detriment to their existence, while also executing those loyal to her because theres a chance they wern’t. That’s not what you write for an Illidan 2.0
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That’s because Garrosh was just defeated, not killed. Hence why I said “over a sparkling corpse.”
Even Anduin thinks she needs to die, you’re going to get to kill her and it’s going to be humiliation corn as all her AmAzInG plans come unravelled around her.
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But it would Subvert Expectations™ and the arguing over it would just show that people are invested in the story!
My biggest hope for the end of this expansion is still a N’zoth win and resurgent Black Empire that crushes the Alliance and Horde into near-irrelevance, just so that the faction war can be utterly impossible to write for at least another several expansions.
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Remember how the tree wasn’t who you expected it to be? That’s how blizzard does subversion. They don’t.
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Maybe, I am just too cynical, but I don’t think she will die. At least not this expansion. Her plots and plans will be the gateway to the next expansion. e.g. She will backstab N’zoth just as we beat him in the final raid and suck all his power or some such.
I understand this, but unfortunately it wouldn’t be the first time a character “got away with it”. Jaina totally got away with killing civilians in Dalaran, we got like 2 throw away lines about it and then had to kill the same Sunreavers for wanting to get revenge on Jaina. I’m 99% sure Jaina is also gonna get away with Dazar’alor and Talanji will conveniently forget about her killing her father.
I said earlier in this thread I think that Teldrassil was the single biggest mistake from a story standpoint especially if they are going to push the unity card now. It is on like, a whole different scale of how wronged anyone could be now.
I would low-key be okay with the ending of the expac being Chromie saying “well that time-line sucked. Lets try again” lol
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Be thankful you’re at least going to get your scapegoat. Thats more than the Horde gets when the Alliance transgressions are swept under the rug completely or outright excused.
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We’re the bad guys that support genocide, so they’re not actually ever in the wrong for what they do.
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If there was ever an expac to retcon story wise, it’s this one. At least wod added cool stuff with the ogres, Evergrowth and bird people.
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Considering it’s been a Warbringer for each major patch, last boss is going to be her, likely as a jibbering N’zoth cultist to complete the assassination of her character.
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Answer Amadis.
I’ll also say that I 100% believe a Desolate COuncil situation is coming so the poor misguided Loyalist finally sees how evil she’s always been for this “greater test of your loyalty.” that Nathanos mentions. We gotta do something horrible, the character will hesitate before doing it just to make sure you still get the guilt of doing whatever it is, but that hesitation will make you an enemy before Baine/Suarfang/Thrall saves your miserable butt and go “I know you were fooled champion but now you see!”
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Actually, to put my speculation hat on, I think it will be worse - she will stab everyone in the back - Horde, Alliance, Azshara, N’zoth - as part of some 30D plan to supplant Helya and she will succeed with our unwitting help. And next xpac everyone will pretend that Teldrassil never happened and/or that Sylvanas did it single handed and the Horde and Alliance will be bestest super friends.
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Villains don’t achieve their final goals in Warcraft and Sylvanas has followed a Gul’dan style beat of succeeding her various evil plans along the way to the final encounter where she’s thwarted and everything gets scape goated onto her despite the entire horde, most of all Saurfang, also being to blame.
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Yes, but i don’t think that you can compare neither the intentions or the scale of what these characters did.
Yes some civilians died in the purge, yes it was bad but she wasn’t trying to nuke and entire city just to provoke the other side. (only after her city was nuked by the horde)
and she didn’t started the war either, in fact, she is trying to stop it. like she always did.
in the context of losing teldrassil, losing a character on top of that wouln’t be the best idea.
i guess that… i should feel lucky that she didn’t recieved the villain bat despite of all that? ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
you know what, every passing day i feel like chromie fixing everything and turning back in time would be like the best solution.
teldrassil was so, SO stupid.
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To answer the idea of a character getting off scotfree for horrible crimes on the level of Sylvanas, Grom.
They won’t do it, since Grom was written as always being the end boss of WoD before it was changed later in devlopment, but the precedent of monumentally dumb choices is there.
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oh my god you are correct.
n’zoth failed AZEROTH IT’S FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (while tyrande cheering at the background)
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I know they mean it as sarcasm. But… they’re not wrong.
The attempts at being grey were feeble at best in the Cata-MoP conflict. Comparing Camp T. to something like Thal’darah Grove, Silverwind Refuge, Southshore, Gilneas, or Theramore. Even the Purge went down gently, compared to what would happen if such a thing occured irl (a rogue member of a political group commandeering a nation’s infrastructure to steal a superweapon, and give it to a warmongering superpower).
They didn’t even try in BfA. Even after writing a blank justification check with Teldrassil, the Alliance is naively (and boringly) tame, measured, and merciful.
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Oh, no mine isnt sarcasm at all. The Horde is horrible soley by association of Teld existing. The fact there wasnt a full revolt right out the gate has, in Soyfangs own words, damned the horde for a hundred generations, at least in the eyes of the playerbase. Alliance will never, and rightfully so, be okay with the Horde. And even before it, Saurfang was planning to pay the rogues he hired with spoils from a looted Darnassus. The Horde was on thin ice for morality as it was, with BfA it’s not even a question.