To be clear, I’m sympathetic to the fact that Orgrimmar was the only Orcish homeland on Azeroth and that should be considered a mitigating factor in their presence relative to other colonial presences on Kalimdor, but that argument would carry a whole lot more weight were it not for the Horde’s simultaneous colonial presence in Lordaeron that perpetuated ongoing political strife (and yes, ethnic cleansing) for the sake of the Horde’s geopolitical interests there.
If the Horde was serious about finding an equitable and stable solution for the troubles brought on by colonial conflicts in Kalimdor then they would have also eased up on their support for the Forsaken or withdrawn it entirely so that they stopped creating the very conditions that were leading to the colonial strife.
Oh my god do you literally not believe that Theramore was anyone’s home?
And I’m not disputing that. What I am disputing was that Daelin even initially knew the Horde was there. He was initially not even aware the Horde was there and his only goal initially was to find Jaina which changed AFTER he found the orcs. Again he did follow the orcs because he did not even know the orcs where there.
If I had to make up a parody of a bad faith argument meant to whitewash an alliance warcrime, I don’t think I would be clever enough to come up with “What if Jaina just didn’t understand concept of children”.
So what about personal experiences with orc children?
Perhaps it was implied that they were already monsters. Like spiders. A baby spider cannot stop being poisonous, only the removal of the glands (or mandibles?) Will make it safe. Otherwise, it is recommended to kill the spider. And just in case, get checked.
Maybe.
But the Horde will not want to give their children to be raised by the Alliance, Titans, murlocs, hozen, tuskarr? No, the spider will raise the spider.
Which is also something that the Horde believed. Sylvanas’s arguments about the Alliance coming to get them in 100 years require that this mentality exists not just with the recently-born, but with the unborn and the unconceived.
I think if I can describe the frustration here…
Jaina has quite the arc. She goes from being the foremost proponent to peace, to being someone who is personally scarred in a manner that she becomes a major proponent for war. Her pacifist mindset was consumed with the realities of Azerothian politics, and she bore the brunt of the consequences. She steps right up to the line of being a villain, but is pulled back and redeemed.
The Horde does not have this luxury - their characters go into aggressive arcs so that they can become raid bosses. They actually DO attempt to carry out these ideologies, are pulled from the faction at the last second, and are killed when they have ensconced themselves as the enemy of everyone.
Of course Theramore was peoples’ home. People live everywhere.
But no, Theramore being primarily a foreign military base and extension of the larger Alliance’s efforts to contest the Horde does not make it the same as the capital city of the Horde/Orcs.
And the Horde’s simultaneous colonial presence in Lordaeron that perpetuated ongoing political strife (and yes, ethnic cleansing) for the sake of the Horde’s geopolitical interests there is treated -RIGHTFULLY- as a reason why the Alliance should be upset even though it actually doesn’t pose any existential threat to Stormwind or Ironforge.
So the Horde can’t be upset about Theramore posing a potential existential threat because…?
It was primarily a city with a military garrison in it. It was literally exactly the same as Orgrimmar in terms of its founding circumstances and the intent behind its presence.
Hate goat? Is that you?
I guess you upgraded from imps, but a horrifically racist argument that only has sense in a horrifically racist framework of culture flaws/wrongs of leadership making evil genetic, is still horrifically racist.
Stormwind is probably the most fortified surface-city on Azeroth, guess it’s a military base and not a city. Keep that one in your back pocket for when you need to justify Zul burning it in BfA.
Jaina also evacuated any civilian she could to Theramore. It was not a primarily military base. If Orgrimmar was supposed to be the new home of the Horde from Lordaeron, Theramore was supposed to be the new home to the Lordaeron Alliance.
