When she did flee across the ocean deep
The admiral followed west
What else but sail to save a daughter’s life
And pray she still drew breath?(aluding to the fact that the search for his daughter was his reason for going to Theramore)
But there he found upon the distant shores
Enemies 'on the rise!(clearly the line makes it clear he did not expect to find enemies on a distant shore)
But when he faced those savage foes
His daughter stood aside
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It was built as home for the survivors of Lordearon! Until Daelin came the people of Theramore didnt even know what happened to the rest of the Eastern Kingdoms, for all they knew the Scourge had wiped everyone else out.
The Horde literally has Stonard which is a stones throw away from Stormwind, using your logic the same claim can be laid on Stonard.
That is not their birthplace. And the same could be said of the Taurens, who were yungol before. Fun fact, they lived near the CENTER OF KALIMDOR, do you know what else was at the center of Kalimdor? The well of eternity. Which means whatever the original anscestral land of the taurens were is probably under the Maelstorm now.
Medivh ultimately wanted Jaina and those with her to team up with Thrall and the Night Elves to fight the Legion.
What he didn’t direct was Daelin showing up to wipe out the Horde, and in the wake of his defeat, the city becaming a base of Alliance operations out of which they staffed Northwatch and continued to harass the Horde in the Barrens and Durotar. After Daelin there was Kristoff. After Kristoff, we get the uneasy peace that we enter WoW on.
The Alliance/Stormwind/Ironforge and Kalimdor/Theramore were not entirely cut off, as they continued to have travel back and forth between Menethil Harbor/Theramore and we have Human and Dwarven Alliance forces throughout the Barrens. The Explorer’s League specifically petitioning the Alliance for military aid after facing further resistance after in their operations in the Barrens.
Clearly that was establish AFTER Theramore was settled/after Daelin arrived. We know this for a fact because if this was the case Daelin would have know her daughter was alive.
Daelin didn’t get Alliance assistance. In fact, Theramore let the Horde take him and his forces out. Kul Tiras left the Alliance because not only did the Alliance not grant him the assistance he wanted but also felt that he was responsible for his own fate for being needlessly antagonistic. This combined with the fact that the Alliance had enough problems on its plate without adding renewed conflict with the Orcs to the pile.
And sorry, but why exactly was Theramore not allowed to have a military force of its own? It was never NOT part of the Alliance, what’s wrong with Theramorians having a standing army and maintaining bilateral relations with its allies? How come the Orcs are allowed to do this but Theramore isn’t?
It’s increasingly looking like you simply believe that Theramore had no right to exist whatsoever as a sovereign state on account of it being on land that the Horde wanted to control. Your sentiment comes off as nakedly imperialist and escalates to outrageous when taken into account that the people of Theramore couldn’t even go home because the Horde would kill them there too.
I’d add to that that the Orcs went back to Alterac Valley of all places and resettled it, even though that land was literally at the backdoor of several Alliance outposts.
You don’t. But I think if someone isn’t willing to do the lifting of a discussion, they shouldn’t comment then. Obviously everyone is biased to think, I proved my point. Saying ‘I did that, u wrong’ doesn’t really add anything. It doesn’t change their mind or people reading that you thought you had good arguments before.
I sympathize with the frustration. But again, they can also say, ‘na, I won that one’. Either revisit it, link your prior stuff, or move off.
Well if you have done it that much, it should be easy to link or copy/paste.
Not every single post. But if this is something you claim comes up several times, it isn’t asking much.
If you’re making an argument, it isn’t fair to reasonable to make it without being willing to put in the effort. I avoid certain posters or topics for that very reason.
It isn’t cool to just say, ‘yeah, I was totally right now, just take my word y’all’.
Theramore was the new Alliance capital after the fall of lordaeron.
Both orgrimmar and theramore spawn from parallel WC3 campaigns.
Stormwind being such a major power now is a totally new thing for gameplay purposes of wow.
I’ve heard the song. The actual events consisted of Jaina helping Rexxar stop her father in his attempts to wipe out the Horde.
And no, Stonnard isn’t a “stone’s throw” from Stormwind either. It’s more than a run down scouting tower, but it to is a backwater, not a massive fortified city full of troops, a port, and the staging ground for a potential invasion. If Theramore were more like Stonard, I doubt the Horde would have considered it anywhere considering a threat, but as it stands now, there is no Horde equivalent of Theramore.
The Tauren have roamed over all Kalidmor since before even the rise of the Night Elves, let alone the Sundering and the rise of the Dwarves in Dun Morough. No, the Dwarves don’t have any more claim to wipe out Tauren than they do the right to wipe out Frost Trolls any more than Tauren and Forst Trolls have to wipe them out. Less so, in fact.
This is part of the actual nuance that the whole Horde/Alliance conflict used to have.
You aren’t presenting nuance, you’re presenting some kind of bizarre blood and soil nationalism on the part of the Horde and using it to justify ethnic cleansing.
You have Bildgewater Harbor, a city that is on the very border of Ashenvale/night elven lands. In fact it was night elven land until they gave up Aszhara in the name of peace. Also, Stonard was big enough of a threat to managed to riposte a full on invasion of the Alliance.
Hence, why I have suggested if ever the Alliance went full on villain, the destruction of Bildgewater would be the perfect equivalent to Theramore.
And the titans literally had bases thoughout the entire with of the original Kalimdor continent. Without the ancestors of the Alliance there would be no tauren or trolls or any life. It would either be old god or elemental controlled lands.
Can you explain why Orgrimmar is a legitimate settlement but Theramore is not?
I played WC3, it seems if one is legitimate then so is the other one.
Both campaigns in WC3 were about running away from Lordaeron and settling somewhere new.
And the city became -no longer just a refugee camp- but an actual extension of the Alliance military, from which the Alliance/Stormwind would maintain bases and conduct operations throughout Kalimdor and contain Orgrimmar.
Orgrimmar is Horde and therefore it’s legitimate. Theramore was Alliance and therefore a blight that the Horde had to excise to maintain the purity of its manifest destiny.
Orgrimmar stopped being “just a refugee camp” at the same time. How come the Orcs can use Orgrimmar to build and maintain bases and conduct operations throughout Kalimdor and contain Darnassus/Theramore and that’s totally legit but the inverse isn’t?
You can’t keep on dodging the fact that both the Orc and Human presence on Kalimdor was equally colonial.
Honey, it was always Alliance. Jaina has ALWAYS(minus her brief time in Dalaran) been an Alliance character. She had as much right as a sovereign leader of a nation to do what she pleased in her kingdom. If Thrall can build up his military, so could the people of Theramore.
I’m starting to think that the only problem a plurality of Horde players had with Garrosh was that he said the quiet part loud. Maybe that’s the problem with Sylvanas in BfA too.
I’m not supporting any kind of ethnic cleansing. I don’t think the Horde should go in and wipe out entire ethnic groups. I don’t think the Alliance should either. That both factions engage in it is an example of them not being as simple as Alliance=good, Horde=bad. It was Horde/Alliance=capable of good and bad in different ways.
But for whatever reasons, whenever its pointed out that the Alliance has done things that are bad, especially if it’s something that the Horde doesn’t actually engage in as much, people come out of the woodwork to go, “Ummm no actually, the Alliance was RIGHT in doing that!”
I prefer the ideal face-to-face murder situation. Has Jaina interacted with orc children before? I think without this experience it is difficult to consider children as “children” and not “dwarf orcs (midget?)”.
Because Orgrimmar whose first and formost function-even now- is a home for Orcs, Tauren, Trolls, etc as invited by the Tauren while Theramore has largely been used as an extension of the larger Alliance military’s foreign operations despite the instance of everyone else.
