The Night Elves have been shown consistently unable to defend themselves.
How will you address this problem?
I’m of the opinion that the Worgen and Kaldorei, as a sign of their strong alliance/friendship, build a new home together with a mingling of Gilnean architecture and kaldorei nature magic.
Hill I’m willing to die on too
Hsss … Do you want to subdue the kal’dorei to human potential in the form of the worgen?
(A distrustful snake rises from the basket and hisses menacingly)
Don’t you dare break away from a group of Horde victims!
Hush, hush, madman. Remember that all people are crabs. And you too. Don’t try to drag others into the bucket … And hope that when others get out of the bucket, they won’t spit into it. Although (scream) I’m not going to help others when I get out of the bucket, right? (scream) Evil nasty greedy crab, that’s who I am (scream).
Anduin is amazing. Alliance can be proud to have him.
I mean, they’re not defenseless. They stifled Garrosh’s advance in Cata, and only really got invaded all the way to their homeland because they sent their entire army across the continent (and thus most of their military force would have been spared from the burning).
I would imagine that (assuming in this hypothetical that we’re stopping the dumbass faction war storyline outside of little flareups to justify pvp areas), the best way to ensure peace would be for a post-Wrath style treaty system, and specifically binding the Tauren and night elves to a mutual oath of non-aggression. Even if Night elves never forgive the orcs or forsaken, the Tauren have saved their butts in the WOTA and Hyjal, and have never been the drivers of faction aggression, so once tensions die down a bit, it wouldn’t be that unrealistic to reach out to them.
Hell, you don’t even have to make it a forgiveness thing. Make it so that some night elves are still very, very mad about it, and others begrudgingly remember Thrall coming to their aid in Hyjal despite being complete enemies before then. Maybe Tyrande stays mad, and Malfurion is just kind of tired of the whole war, and they represent the two sides of the post war nelves.
To stand! Do you want to make Malfurion the Fury of the Neutralite? Again?! After fifteen years of being in this status, he woke up to fall asleep again?!
They are absolutely defenseless.
Everytime the Horde rolls in and destroys a new location and Blizzard leans reeeeal hard into how devastating and horrible it was.
So… Night Elves (and Alliance) failed to protect.
When you fail to protect the next step is avenge.
Its a popular trope. Tony Stark says it to Loki in the Avengers movie “if we fail to protect earth you can be sure we will avenge it”
Avenging will result in Horde punishing by the said victims.
So since the conclusion of “Tides of Vengeance” seems to be vengeance is bad and shouldn’t be done then the next step is to ensure that next time there will be protection which will make revenge unnecessary.
What will this be? I don’t know so I am asking you.
In MoP this was handled as a threat. “If you do this again We. Will. End. You.” -Varian
Man, all this talk has suddenly made me extremely sad for some reason.
At the end of the day I genuinely want as many people as possible to enjoy this dumb game, because happier players = healthier game. But seeing all yall argue and rage for two years straight if not more and knowing Blizz considers this a success makes me want to stop interacting with the fandom entirely.
The Alliance will be destroyed and wiped off the face of Azeroth.
Go home Sasquatch, you ate too much and acting cranky again
I mean, no one race is going to survive the entire other faction ganging up on it. The closest thing anyone’s really come to that was the Tauren holding off the Alliance at the great gate, and that was just a fraction of alliance forces, mostly Theramore troops.
Tirisfal fell basically overnight as far as anyone knew. You didn’t see heroic forsaken guerilla fighters holding off the army, they were still evacuating from a known oncoming invasion while the alliance was at their doorstep.
As for more concrete defenses, force the horde border at the barrens to go back about 500 feet and build a giant fortification. Same with the Ashara border. Make it so that the horde has to spend time to break open a hard target before they can invade proper and then you have more time to marshal troops from your allies.
I still think the best defense would be being treaties and not ripping them up the first time the Twilight’s hammer kills some druids. Deescalate tensions rather than escalating them and making the warmongers on the other side more convincing.
I legitimately was hopeful that Garrosh was the last hurrah of the faction war story, because that’s where the most bitter arguing and partisanship springs out of.
Then they killed Vol’jin off after one whole expansion of kind-of relevance and here we are
I will not go home until the Alliance is finally defeated for good and utterly destroyed.
It’s a 2 faction game, the alliance isn’t going anywhere. Should probably get used to that.
Not until Rastakhan is avenged. Jaina and Gelbin and Genn will die for what they did to Zuldazar.
I feel this message, but with alliance swapped out with “The opposing faction” should be stickied on every faction war thread
I am honestly very tired of being uncomfortable in fandoms. I don’t know if it’s normal or if it’s just my luck, but pretty much any fandom I join soon reveals to have some kind of stupid long-lasting drama that often makes it nearly impossible to enjoy it’s content.
Hiss.
Who will get Azshara? If the Horde, how much will the Horde pay for it and with what?
I beat alliance posters over the head with this all the time. Though most people know that by now. I loathe calling for the deletion of the opposing faction as that solves literally nothing.
Destroying one of the factions once and for all solves the problems of the other faction, doesn’t it?
Nope.