Where are you getting such a notion? They did not even know of her existence at the time outside of the nine she met in the Maw. You’re making things up in terms of her motivations dude. She didn’t feel slighted in anyway or allude to such a thing.
It is true.
That is why she had to lie.
I mean…there were many BE who were not loyalists so…I guess you are incorrect in this aspect.
Are you the Neutral Guy, Anti or Pro High Elfer?
Just curious because about the another High Elf Love Thread.
Does it matter much?
I don’t know. I mean as long as there’s a High Elf Quel’dorei Thread.
Atleast I’ll be seeing different kinds of Art atleast from the High Elf Folks.
This makes absolutely no sense given that the valkyr, prior to Legion, were always considered beings of their own. So…no…this is you just making attributions that were not there. She knew of what the valkyr could do, and went to enslave their leader accordingly. There was no slight. Her motivation was purely self preservation. She isn’t Cersei and this isn’t game of thrones.
She has, literally, about being for the Horde.
She wasn’t for the Horde.
Ergo, when she said she was, she was lying.
As is stated explicitly by her when she says she used them as a tool.
Except BE are not the typical loyalists given their history and the forsaken/orcs are.
hence, why I found it puzzling for BE to be there given their loyalty to Lor’themar and their willingness to follow him.
If she believes she is the Horde which her loyalists would and do also believe then her interests are our interests.
Yet in story she surrounds herself with BE’s, BE’s seem to be the most ardent supporters (the mage who came in to stop the Baine rescue), the overeager rogue in the War of Thorns, the literal fact that we see them as chain as the Forsaken, there is a reason why they are portrayed as such.
One would then have divided loyalties. I have no true dislike of Lor’themar I like him, but my loyalty would be to Sylvanas as Warchief, and as a former denizen of Quel’thalas who she’s shown to support over the years, I would say BE’s would then feel a real loyalty crisis. And obviously Blizzard thought so as well as that is what they have portrayed.
They have also portrayed BE/Forsaken Horde ideals to be often in tandem, opposed to the Kalimdor Horde so that makes double sense why the person who personifies that the most would inspire loyalty from those groups.
Okay, I feel like we’ve gone in a circle.
Horde interest = survival
Syvlanas interest = everything dies
Her interests are not the HOrde’s interest. Simple as that dude.
In story Sylvanas surrounds herself with Forsaken.
The Sunreaver wasn’t interested in stopping Baine’s release. He wanted revenge on Jaina for the purge of Dalaran.
The over eager Rogue had a vendetta towards thenight elves.
They didn’t care for Sylvanas. They weren’t there to support her. You’re misunderstanding the story if you believe it to be the case.
I am not so sure they would given their previous history of having bad leaders turn on them. <_<
Yet she keeps a personal BE mage in her attache to give magni a port when he asks for one? No she surrounds herself with Forsaken and BE’s, hence the argument and my point.
BE / Forsaken embody the EK Horde which Sylvanas personifies.
Alliance HE’s do not.
Which may be true if not for the case Blizzard has been building on the connection with Forsaken and BE’s for years, they embody a more darker theme in the Horde, and their continued screen time as loyalists shows this.
As Warchief she is the Horde, her interests would therefor always be in favor of the Horde, anything otherwise is treason. And thats fine if you subscribe to that I do not.
Question for you? Who to say that the Blood Elves that she surrounds herself with support her? That they are truly loyal to her. We know that Lor’themar, doesn’t support her. The Blood Elves are loyal to Lor’themar, and themselves. So who’s to say they are loyal to Sylvanas, and not just spies trying to take her down from the inside. The best way to topple a monarchy is usually from the inside. The Quel’dorei learned this lesson well, with one Dar’Khan Drathir, did they not.
The fact that we see BE’s and Forsaken being the predominant portrayal of loyalists.
The mage she kept with her when Magni came to talk of Azerite was BE and he seemed to have an honorary position and quickly complied with making a port I got a Palpatine vibe telling his honor guards to leave and them bowing and doing it vibe from that text and that was her personal mage, I think that speaks volumes to the company she keeps as Warchief, and just the overall theme of EK Horde Forsaken and BE’s being close, and willing to overlook each others means is reinforced with the Forsaken and BE’s being what Blizzard has portrayed enough to get even other players on the forums to go “oh of course its a BE, or of course its an Undead” when a loyalist perspective is given.
I would say Sylvanas rules with a sense of “I am the Horde” type narcissism that would invoke loyalty from people who relate to her, which would be BE’s and Forsaken, if they buy into her rule then they would see advancement in that hierarchy structure.
Thank you 
I need and want to get to at least the level to get 270 flying or 280 what ever it is make Loremaster for EK go faster! I been busy the last couple days though
Except for the fact that she doesn’t surround herself with BE at any point. SO I am unsure as to where you draw such a notion. You’re trying to suggest Sylvanas embodies the BE in some fashion, when she clearly doesn’t.
Except for the fact that it is true because that is exactly what happens Lann. Your interpretation of events that did not occur does not hold much weight. The BE do embody the Horde themes but they certainly do not embody any of Syvlanas’.
Let alone the notion that the HE don’t share any such personalities with the BE cousins could not be further from the truth.
So it favors the Horde if Sylvanas wants to kill everything including the Horde?.
Your arguments makes absolutely no sense.
Let alone as warchief she is leader of the horde, she does not embody them as a whole.
I’m going to start with this, this is untrue. She wants to kill her enemies. Loyalists are not her enemies. You construing her words otherwise doesn’t change she has never explicitly stated otherwise, as long as you are loyal you are not her enemy.
I would say your argument doesn’t hold weight because if it were true, the BE’s wouldn’t be seen in such large numbers next to Forsaken as loyalists, so you’re choosing to ignore what I am pointing out.
Forsaken and BE’s embody the Horde that Sylvanas as Warchief appealed to for support and that is why they are reflected as loyalists in game.
Alliance HE’s would never support Sylvanas based on her values alone, and would be appalled at every thing she did right off the bat.
Yes some Story BE’s and PC BE’s did not support the Warchief, but we also see large number of BE loyalists so 
and I’m telling you why, and as a non loyalist player it makes sense why you don’t get it , but this does not make anything I am saying less true.
But their not, at least I do not see them as being loyal. We see two entirely different things. To me *Quel’dorei, and Blood Elves have always been mostly narcissistic, self serving isolationists, who serve themselves and are loyal only to those who can get them what they want. Sylvanas is no longer that person, as she now puts their entire race in danger. The true Loyalist are the High Elves, or at least they are the ones who put loyalty to others, before loyalty to self. I agree they are most likely some Blood Elves that are Loyal to Sylvanas. Just like they are High Elves that remain loyal to the Alliance. However I do not agree that Blood Elves as a whole are loyal to her in any way.
You can do it Lann, For yourself, and for House Lannister, you will get your flying, and make Loremaster.)I don’t mean to say they as a whole are loyal but explaining why next to Forsaken they are the two default faces of being loyalists, because there is a large enough faction of them that she appealed to with the way Blizzard has built up that connection over the years.
I agree with this its why I like both races, I admit it was harder for me to like Alliance HE’s because they show the traits in other ways but arguably sometimes worse ways.
But a lot of narcissism can come in seeing a reflection of yourself, which is why I see Sylvanas as not “caring” for Forsaken and BE’s but liking them better than say everyone else because they somewhat remind her of well herself. I’m sure she likes anyone loyal to some degree to that too but more so those two Horde races. And in turn those two Horde races would be most libel to have a larger population of loyalists, because their populations would probably go along with the “She is the Horde” argument she kind of ruled with.
We see some orcs too, in Orgrimmar during the siege side with her, we see some goblins portrayed to a lesser degree too being shunned in Orgrimmar post Saurfang funeral, but for the most part Blizzard has gone out of their way to continue to show it was a Forsaken / BE pool of loyalists , even convincing their own players like I said on the forums to have a sense of “Of course a BE / Undead player said this” when a pro Sylvanas Undead or BE character posts
So I’m not saying she had the loyalty of the Kingdom, but that she probably could and did appeal to large numbers of its people.
And I’m more or less saying Alliance HE’s would also see themselves in a leader like Vereesa or Alleria who embody the political ideals that they value (good and bad *Vareesa I know is no saint) and therefor trying to highlight the cultural and personality difference of the two as well as speak to my opinion of why BE’s supported Sylvanas since I was asked.
Thank you!! I plan on EK, Northrend, Pandaria, WOD, Legion, then BFA content ( I heard unsettling things about them shadow removing the loyalist quest line and if they do I suspect it could be in the Shadowlands pre patch so I don’t want to dally too long) but then ill back track to the other zones and head canon it as sort of fringe war effort fighting I’m helping out with!
EDIT: I also want to add the missive she sends where you meet her in Ghostlands…
She speaks of being disappointed in the Forsaken, and her last convo with you is in BE territory where she feels most comfortable obviously. She didn’t send you to the graveyard where we meet Lillian and say she was disappointed in the Forsaken, but instead she felt most home at … her home, which is a story telling device to me honoring both the BE’s by being the place she holds her swan song good bye, AND she give verbal shout out to saying she felt pity for Forsaken (but it sounds like she’s disappointed as she says this like she feels they betrayed her) again playing to the TWO races that are and were loyalists.
She quite literally stated everyone is a tool and that everyone will belong to her in death dude. There really is no other way to interpret it, nor does it benefit the Horde in anyway to have mass casualties.
I haven’t ignored it, I am pointing out that your points are non-existent.
She doesn’t have a personal mage, that mage was there out of convenience. Her entire history involves her being surrounded by forsaken. This did not change in BFA.
I mean…except she doesnt?
The blood elves embody survival at all costs.
Sylvanas wants everything to serve herin death.
These two ideas are in great opposition to each other, hence, why it is nonsensical.
Dude, its a video game, not your life. There is no loyalist/nonloyalist.
I’vedone both sides of the story as well.
In anycase, I don’t think we are going to come to an agreement on this matter.
I don’t care about your LGBTQ status, so I am unsure as to why you brought it up.
Girlie is indeed a derogatory term. So regardless of your intent, it is can be insulting.
On the other hand, dude, is not a derogatory term. So chill dude.
That is a contradiction on your part dude.
Nope.
You are making the choice to interpret is as an offensive term when it is quite clear that
It is not an offensive term.
I am not using it offensively.
Get over yourself.
Actually it is true, you are choosing to be offended, not because anything offensive has been said to you.
So chill dude.
Unless the word chill is offensive because you’re secretly a snowman.
You do not get to dictate what words are or are not offensive based upon your mood. Sorry I disagreed with you on your loyalist view, get over it.
I mean…one is often used as a derogatory term, and the other is you just throwing a random fit for no reason other than just because you can.
Seriously dude, get over it.
There are many word I can use that are derogatory but are not censored Lann.
Seriously, what is your point?
I don’t care if you’re unhappy about Starla telling you not to call her something so why are you bothering me about it?
Stop acting like a victim all the time, no one’s done anything to you to warrant it.