The Great Worm of 8.3 marks the Return of World PVP

[Audrena-dathremar (Audrena)]

Many players have asked for dangers in the skies over the years

They really haven’t. Though I guess that’s perhaps another bit of “Blizzard revisionism”, just like that old chestnut “the devs say flying is their biggest regret” etc etc.

However if you can point me to actual examples of players (real ones) saying “please give me annoyances in the air while I’m flying,” well, I’m all ears.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

@Audrena-dathremar

However if you can point me to actual examples of players (real ones) saying “please give me annoyances in the air while I’m flying,” well, I’m all ears.

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Found one. Will post more if I come across others.

Innovative ways to incorporate flying into game design, questing, and pvp

So, I posted a little bit of what I’m about to post here. Just as a start I have a BA in Animation and Game design and have worked for a few small studios. There is a solution to the “flying” issue. To me, great game design when a marriage between game play and story development. Instead of making flying a hassle, merge it into questing and pvp. For example: aerial combat could be a great way to engage players and add dynamics. Imagine you’re in a battle ground. You’re flying and you see the…

What if flying were *slower*?

Ok…stay with me here. Background: WLK was the first expansion to limit flying until you achieved a certain goal. It wasn’t a horribly difficult goal, but it existed. Except that you needed flying to get into some areas - notably Storm Peaks. So, what Blizzard did was, if you didn’t have flying by that point (and some people deliberately didn’t), they gave you a loaner flying mount; I believe the top speed was +60%. It got you over the mountains, and into areas you couldn’t reach otherwise, …

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There are no specific Topic Posts asking for this. Rather it has come up in the pro or anti flying topics generally. Where people ask Blizzard to design the game with flying in mind to justify releasing flying earlier. Some say Nazjatar is a good example of this. Others prefer the Wrath model. This is something new but like everything in BFA this is likely a beta test of what is to come in the finished product of BFA which is Shadowlands.

@Yesuna-wyrmrest-accord

This worm is going to be great for many different types of gameplay and activities. I seriously cannot wait.

The only thing I truly hope we see is that this could possibly be a foundation for a new aspect of gameplay we see in future expansions. Many players have asked for dangers in the skies over the years, now we’re finally getting it.

Yes they have. I was able to find a few and posted them right above this comment.

[Audrena-dathremar (Audrena)]

Found one. Will post more if I come across others.

I’m gonna ignore the “BA in game design” offering (!) but the second is asking for what Blizzard routinely did right up until AND INCLUDING Mists of Pandaria (people always seem to forget this). Not in-flight annoyances - which is all they are, like the Mechagon buzzing flies that won’t go away till you bunny-hop your way across the land - but rather, quests involving locations that could only be reached via flight.

THAT is designing for flight (and also what FFXIV has been doing for several years now). Annoyances are NOT gameplay. They’re just annoyances being sold to you as “immersion”, but put there solely to slow you down.

[Maryine-uther (Maryine)]

What would need to happen before people stop saying WPVP is dead?

I do WQs on Warmode everyday and usually end up in a fight. Is that not WPVP?

Last invasion I did had a 5 man group of horde killing people around one of the WQs there… Essentially farming honor. Is that not WPVP?

What exactly do you want? A Hillsbrad Foothills situation? Cause we have that every other week in Nazjatar (When it’s the call to arms). When it isn’t the call to arms, Mechagon is a bloodbath.

[Spacefloozy-stormrage]

What would need to happen before people stop saying WPVP is dead?

Blizz would need to remove their garbage sharding/crz systems, fix the WorldDefense channel (which was broken by sharding and never fixed), do real server merges with a focus on faction balance, and make real pvp servers again/dump their crappy warmode.

They will never do this. Because Sha of Pride.

[Astreon-sargeras]

1. New cash shop only HoverCraft Mount = it’s a ground mount but hovers 1 yard above ground allowing you to travel at flying speed 310%. Ground obstacles such as rocks or cliff don’t affect its ability to fly as it will simply hover over them.

2. New Cruise Missile Mount for Engineers = does the same thing as hover craft.

My new year conspiracy theory here.
Happy New Year!

[Creacher-arthas]

There’s no real incentive to fight randomly in the open world. Until there is an incentive, world pvp will remain as sparse as it is today. Recall that back in the day on vanilla, there wasn’t much else to do but run around ganking (or avoiding being ganked)

[Xíang-wyrmrest-accord (Xíang)]

Horde players will be excited that all 4 Alliance players who still have Hordemode on will be slightly easier to gank during their flight in a very specific area at a very specific time.

laughs in alliance dominated separate RP shard

[Scath-destromath]

That’s just what she was willing to compromise for not waiting A WHOLE YEAR to get flying, that doesn’t mean that she LOVES ANNOYANCES.

You think people actually want to be annoyed for playing a game? Are you one of the devs as well?