I come to bring love to our Space Goats. Who wants a hug?
The Hoodied One looks around for hugs.
Winter Veil is coming did you buy anyone gifts yet?
Not yet. Will take care of that in December.
Thatâs supposing thereâs even anyone to buy gifts for.
There arenât. Not in my life.
Iâve bought for a few people, already.
Please stick with the waggle and only the waggle.
The Draecember post has been made, if you look for it over on the twitter/tumblr pages. This yearâs prompts are⌠well⌠Iâm personally going to have a tough time writing them.
Anyone interested in 31 days of draenei, you should look into it.
Hnetu:
The Draecember post has been made, if you look for it over on the twitter/tumblr pages. This yearâs prompts are⌠well⌠Iâm personally going to have a tough time writing them.
Anyone interested in 31 days of draenei, you should look into it.
Oh, one of the prompts is Tattoo. Iâve already drawn a tattooed Yrel once, maybe I can do it again.
@Hnetu
And all draenei friends.
So I recently read this take on the events of the Magâhar recruitment.
evil characters must now claim they are evil and have red arrows above their head, because apparently just looking at the actions of the characters to determine what they really are is too hard.
sylvannas & the forsaken are concentration camp holding mass murderers. The magâhar recruitment scenario has them shown to be racist, brainwashed, slave-holding ethnic cleansers who get along with sylvannas because they have that in common with her.
What evil does well though is project, and that is portrayed here and it adds nuance to the story. Weak, effete andiun is portrayed as a warmonger by sylvannas by projection. The draenei in the mag har scenario are peaceniks who care only about global warming (not kidding) and racial harmony, yet the actually brainwashed and actually tyrannical mag har accuse the dranei of everything the orcs are actively doing. More projection. But -again- because it is played straight, people do not question it. So anduin is a warmonger and the draenei are brainwashed tyrants, despite paying attention in game proves the horde races are just bsing 24/7.
you could have a questline of orcs murdering and entire village, and the quest would be called âwe are the good guys,â and people would call it bad writing to imply that those who murder an entire village could also be disingenuous about what they are.
Nowhere was it written that the orcs were forcibly converted. The naaru showed the draenei what the orcs (and the world) would become if left unchecked and the draenei declared war on the orcs to save the world from the orcs. Out of charity, they offered the orcs a chance to convert and some did, the rest were fenced off in gorgrond which is now a junkyard wasteland thanks to the orcs destroying the environment. If you actually read the text, all the dranei care about is racial harmony and getting rid of the global warming caused by the old iron horde industrialization.
The orcs then claimed the non-savage orcs were brainwashed, as they cannot understand why anyone would leave the orc master race otherwise. It is not hard to find real-world examples of this same sentiment. This is where the derisive name âlightbound,â as if they were slaves now, came from.
The orcs accuse the dranei of being âfanaticsâ (that word is thrown out every sentence by genderbent thrall), yet it is the mag har who scream âI will destroy all who oppose warchief hellscream!â in their flavor text.
They claim the draenei want to destroy all different from them, when the first part of that scenario is ethnically cleansing ogres because they dare stage a slave uprising and then there is a lot of flavor text about killing lightbound orcs because they are race-traitors.
The reason you go kill the ogre slave uprising is because (and the game outright tells you this) slamming the jackboot on the ogres calms down genderbent thrall!
When you were ethnically cleansing the ogres who dared to challenge slavery, you end up killing a lightbound ambassador who was having a meeting with the ogre revolutionary leader at the time.
The army is then called in immediately after. kill a an american ambassador in the name of your racial pride and you would get american marines on your doorstep within the day.
When the dranei army arrive, they say their beef with the orcs is the orcs killing the planet, and would be willing to work with them if they put down their arms.
Keep in mind I actually played this scenario and read all the quest/flavor text. I heard the same rhetoric you are spewing now and so I paid extra close attention to what was happening. All of you are full of it.
Not even the orcs say that. They just say the converts are brainwashed, implying that there is no way they would ever âbetrayâ their precious master race otherwise by becoming civilized.
I am talking about actual in-game actions, not memes surrounding the scenario or you falling for in-game rhetoric and ignoring in game actions. Ironically, you are proving my point that the playerbase just goes by whatever in-game characters say as if they are all perfectly honest.
nu-gorgrond is a literal junkyard. The air is permanently orange with toxic waste. No plants have survived.
The first orc you meet in nu-draenor is a laughing skull orc that sneaks up behind you. If you talk to them they say âno, I wouldnât know anything about flaying people alive I do know how to flay people, and I can give you a demonstration.â
The second one you meet is called an âimpalerâ and he tells you he wants to slit the throats of the race-traitors.
The other orcs all say the same master race bs that they will kill anyone who challenges their great leader or their traditions. yawn.
you are threatened at the point of a weapon by genderbent thrall to âpay homageâ to the orc clan banners. hellscream shows up and says genderbent thrall is a hothead, and WHAT CALMS HER DOWN IS KILLING OGRES; just so happens the ogres at the ogre internment camp are staging a slave uprising. you are then tasked with killing the uppity ogres to put them back in their place. In the quest text you are informed that the orcs regularly have to put these ogres back in their place every few years by killing the revolters.
In the process of killing the ogre king leading the uprising, you kill a lightbound ambassador. A small regiment THEN gets called.
When you wipe out the small regiment THEN the entire draenei army comes.
I can really tell you didnât actually play the scenario.
Now I havenât really played the magâhar scenario because I donât have a high enough level horde, let alone one with the rep. Heck I donât even have an active account, so all I did was watch the YT vid where they skimmed through it, of course I could not really see all the details mentioned on these posts. However this analysis of the events presented seems to go against the initial idea of evil draenei that the community had when it was released.
The user here seems to have a lot of knowledge of these events so this would actually change the perception on the draenei and the events making things less black and white.
You can find the whole thread and discussion here
I mean, youâre not wrong on the account that they are claiming those Orcs are âbrainwashedâ in the manner that you describe. However, youâre wrong to think that Yrel and the Naaru that is âleadingâ them didnât just turn in to a fanatical cult of Light worshippers on a cleansing of the entire planet, and unjustifiably were the aggressors that unprovokingly went after the Orcs, who were now practically peaceful without their tyrannical and warmongering Warchiefs presiding over their every action. âŚ
I wonder what do you guys think about it?
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Averyx-quelthalas:
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This is a code word for ERP threads back in the day. Report this thread as the off topic lounge trash it is.
Mikaelle:
@Hnetu
And all draenei friends.
So I recently read this take on the events of the Magâhar recruitment.
evil characters must now claim they are evil and have red arrows above their head, because apparently just looking at the actions of the characters to determine what they really are is too hard.
sylvannas & the forsaken are concentration camp holding mass murderers. The magâhar recruitment scenario has them shown to be racist, brainwashed, slave-holding ethnic cleansers who get along with sylvannas because they have that in common with her.
What evil does well though is project, and that is portrayed here and it adds nuance to the story. Weak, effete andiun is portrayed as a warmonger by sylvannas by projection. The draenei in the mag har scenario are peaceniks who care only about global warming (not kidding) and racial harmony, yet the actually brainwashed and actually tyrannical mag har accuse the dranei of everything the orcs are actively doing. More projection. But -again- because it is played straight, people do not question it. So anduin is a warmonger and the draenei are brainwashed tyrants, despite paying attention in game proves the horde races are just bsing 24/7.
you could have a questline of orcs murdering and entire village, and the quest would be called âwe are the good guys,â and people would call it bad writing to imply that those who murder an entire village could also be disingenuous about what they are.
Nowhere was it written that the orcs were forcibly converted. The naaru showed the draenei what the orcs (and the world) would become if left unchecked and the draenei declared war on the orcs to save the world from the orcs. Out of charity, they offered the orcs a chance to convert and some did, the rest were fenced off in gorgrond which is now a junkyard wasteland thanks to the orcs destroying the environment. If you actually read the text, all the dranei care about is racial harmony and getting rid of the global warming caused by the old iron horde industrialization.
The orcs then claimed the non-savage orcs were brainwashed, as they cannot understand why anyone would leave the orc master race otherwise. It is not hard to find real-world examples of this same sentiment. This is where the derisive name âlightbound,â as if they were slaves now, came from.
The orcs accuse the dranei of being âfanaticsâ (that word is thrown out every sentence by genderbent thrall), yet it is the mag har who scream âI will destroy all who oppose warchief hellscream!â in their flavor text.
They claim the draenei want to destroy all different from them, when the first part of that scenario is ethnically cleansing ogres because they dare stage a slave uprising and then there is a lot of flavor text about killing lightbound orcs because they are race-traitors.
The reason you go kill the ogre slave uprising is because (and the game outright tells you this) slamming the jackboot on the ogres calms down genderbent thrall!
When you were ethnically cleansing the ogres who dared to challenge slavery, you end up killing a lightbound ambassador who was having a meeting with the ogre revolutionary leader at the time.
The army is then called in immediately after. kill a an american ambassador in the name of your racial pride and you would get american marines on your doorstep within the day.
When the dranei army arrive, they say their beef with the orcs is the orcs killing the planet, and would be willing to work with them if they put down their arms.
Keep in mind I actually played this scenario and read all the quest/flavor text. I heard the same rhetoric you are spewing now and so I paid extra close attention to what was happening. All of you are full of it.
Not even the orcs say that. They just say the converts are brainwashed, implying that there is no way they would ever âbetrayâ their precious master race otherwise by becoming civilized.
I am talking about actual in-game actions, not memes surrounding the scenario or you falling for in-game rhetoric and ignoring in game actions. Ironically, you are proving my point that the playerbase just goes by whatever in-game characters say as if they are all perfectly honest.
nu-gorgrond is a literal junkyard. The air is permanently orange with toxic waste. No plants have survived.
The first orc you meet in nu-draenor is a laughing skull orc that sneaks up behind you. If you talk to them they say âno, I wouldnât know anything about flaying people alive I do know how to flay people, and I can give you a demonstration.â
The second one you meet is called an âimpalerâ and he tells you he wants to slit the throats of the race-traitors.
The other orcs all say the same master race bs that they will kill anyone who challenges their great leader or their traditions. yawn.
you are threatened at the point of a weapon by genderbent thrall to âpay homageâ to the orc clan banners. hellscream shows up and says genderbent thrall is a hothead, and WHAT CALMS HER DOWN IS KILLING OGRES; just so happens the ogres at the ogre internment camp are staging a slave uprising. you are then tasked with killing the uppity ogres to put them back in their place. In the quest text you are informed that the orcs regularly have to put these ogres back in their place every few years by killing the revolters.
In the process of killing the ogre king leading the uprising, you kill a lightbound ambassador. A small regiment THEN gets called.
When you wipe out the small regiment THEN the entire draenei army comes.
I can really tell you didnât actually play the scenario.
Now I havenât really played the magâhar scenario because I donât have a high enough level horde, let alone one with the rep. Heck I donât even have an active account, so all I did was watch the YT vid where they skimmed through it, of course I could not really see all the details mentioned on these posts. However this analysis of the events presented seems to go against the initial idea of evil draenei that the community had when it was released.
The user here seems to have a lot of knowledge of these events so this would actually change the perception on the draenei and the events making things less black and white.
You can find the whole thread and discussion hereBlizzard's stories are getting more nuanced, to their total detriment - #17 by Iandore-thrall
I wonder what do you guys think about it?
I went into the scenario with the intent of talking to every npc and reading all quest text and reading all dialogue said radiantly as you walk by.
I did this because I wanted to know just how bad blizzard was urinating on the Light and the Draenei. What I found was that the orcs were clearly the tyrannical bad guys in that scenario and the Draenei seemed like weak hippies rather than the supposed tyrants the community claimed they were.
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Iandore:
I went into the scenario with the intent of talking to every npc and reading all quest text and reading all dialogue said radiantly as you walk by.
I did this because I wanted to know just how bad blizzard was urinating on the Light and the Draenei. What I found was that the orcs were clearly the tyrannical bad guys in that scenario and the Draenei seemed like weak hippies rather than the supposed tyrants the community claimed they were.
Interesting, sounds like more washing up of the Horde sins to make them pass out as good. I guess all we can do is to wait for the continuation of this story if thereâs any, although I donât have much hopes for it.
Not only are you guys the best but you also have nice awesome crystal tech. Like Flying Ships, Floating Crystals, Crystal Buildings, and other awesome things like Elekks, Armored Alien Deers, Mana Rays, and etc.
Also Draenei Women are extra thicc. XD
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Averyx-quelthalas:
Iandore:
I went into the scenario with the intent of talking to every npc and reading all quest text and reading all dialogue said radiantly as you walk by.
I did this because I wanted to know just how bad blizzard was urinating on the Light and the Draenei. What I found was that the orcs were clearly the tyrannical bad guys in that scenario and the Draenei seemed like weak hippies rather than the supposed tyrants the community claimed they were.
Interesting, sounds like more washing up of the Horde sins to make them pass out as good. I guess all we can do is to wait for the continuation of this story if thereâs any, although I donât have much hopes for it.
I assume it is the iron horde side of the draenei story cut out from the second half of wod that never made it to live.
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