Just because they can does not mean they should.
Yes, weâre the best /hairflip
Guess that makes sense, itâs just reusing stuff. Not that the magâhar werenât the laziest addition anyway.
Lore misconception , the only reason they procreated was because Gulâdan used dark magic on the conception.
The draenei (army of light) are literally running a campaign much like the legion in the AU. They literally wipe out all of draenor that doesnât convert. Needless to say that AU draenor is now AU outland. Not sure how you could even think that.
Bow before the light cockroach!
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This is my kink.
The orcs needed to be killed to prevent their pollution from further killing the planet. That they care enough to let some orcs redeem themselves instead of just killing them all is an absurd thing to be angry over.
you also forget, the draenei army only attacks the orcs because you help genderbent thrall kill not only a lightforged ambassador, but also because you killed a unit of the draenei military sent after you killed the lightbound ambassador.
Draenei allied race is lazy and pathetic
They were already at war, and the magâhar were losing dearly due to being outnumbered severely. Nothing you did caused that, nor could you change what was going to happen. Youâre acting as if we caused the war lol. There isnât anything that hints that the way that draenor looks is caused by pollution, if anything it is indicative of the planet dying due to so much war and being out of wack due to the imbalance of overbearing light.
High Exarch Yrel yells: Your people are choking the life from this world⌠dooming the land to desiccation.
Grommash Hellscream yells: How can you be so blind, Yrel? It is the Light that has doomed this world!
Seeing as the draenei and army of light are the ones that started the war, due to their obsession with light. Iâm going to go out on a limb and say that they are killing draenor as well.
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I wrote a big thing but it basically boiled down to âYeah, the points are good. The writing tells us half the story. If you dig deeper you see the orcs arenât revealing what started the problems. Only their perception of âwhy would anyone give up our culture? Weâre perfect!â and a whole lot of âMy son would never convert because heâs a good kid. It must be his friends forcing him!ââ
Personally, Iâve always felt there was more to it than the orcs were telling. There had to be a reason for Yrel to do what she did, because we spent 2 years basically grooming her into a kind and gentle person who wanted what was best for everyone; even if that everyone was part of the group who enslaved her, murdered her sister, and had her mentor and love interest killed.
So yeah, I agree. We see it from the orc perspective, and everything is skewed by that lens. Not to say theyâre wrong, because we simply canât know without getting an Alliance counterpart scenario⌠But our parity for it, the Dark Iron scenario is just⌠a repair job. Horde get to make the naaru out to be evil, despite 12 years of lore saying otherwise, while Alliance go and fix a cracked anvil.
Youâre not wrong, but as said⌠Without seeing things from the draeneiâs perspective we just have the Magâhar⌠who were pretty specifically written to look both badass (flavor text) and the victim (quest chain overall) which really doesnât mix well because the two are almost opposites. Either they obliterated everything else and some realized the error of their ways⌠or the draenei are genocidal maniacs hellbent on converting everyone and killing those who refuse.
But⌠No sane draenei would ever do that. The deeper we dig, the more we find out thereâs something going on and we donât get the full picture. Still, Iâd go full on LUX VULT if Yrel came to the main universe. Iâd fight beside her come Hell of high water.
A lot of the Magâhar scenario is designed to make them look like the victims despite all the evil, horrifying things theyâve done. Maybe if weâd gotten that Shattrath raid and whatever âYrelâs dark secretâ was instead of having WoD become Orcs of Orccraft: Orclords of Orcnor things mightâve gone differently.
But who would want to ever breed with an orc? Gross. Ew. Just. Ew.
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Yeah we only see it from the Magâhar point of view, and theyâre the ones who were killing off the indigenous wildlife and plantlife; not the other way around. The draenei offering salvation to a race who were destroying their planet? Itâs more likely than you think!
Youâre one to talk, gnome. But yeah, Lightforged, Highmountain, Magâhar, and Dark Iron couldâve all been added as appearance tweaks and wouldâve been fine.
Technically, they were at war because of Grommash when we were there, which was 30ish years prior to the time period of the Magâhar scenario. However itâs stated that between those two times, the two races became friendly and worked together to fix things up; the draenei were even nice enough to teach the orcs to read! Unfortunately, a lot of things are simply handwaved; like Durotanâs death and Not!Garrosh converting (with the implication that it was willing) to be a Lightbound himself. None of these things are given concrete explanations and are instead told to us by orcs. And orcs, whether you want to believe it or not, are not reliable narrators. This isnât to say theyâre maliciously lying to the player, but theyâre not omniscient. They canât simply know the motivations of other characters without it being told to them and we see from gossip text of other orcs that theyâre the ones who started killing off the wildlife and plant life. Do remember the one who comments they miss grilling up Botani; âshame we killed them allâ (paraphrased). And because orcs would see their own culture as superior (as is natural for any race, I play a draenei and my warrior here damn well sees her culture as superior to orcsâ.) they could easily be presumed to not understand why someone would choose to not continue it.
As for the quotes? Thatâs a he-said-she-said and without us being there beforehand, thereâs no way to know who truthfully knows whatâs killing the planet and which one of them is assuming the other is doing it. However, that gossip text⌠The one that has orcs admitting to destroying the delicate balance of Draenorâs ecosystems? It sort of lets the cat out of the bag. Oops.
Iâd like some actual chat logs of the orcs admitting that. I donât remember that, nor can I find anything on it. However, I do have substantiated evidence of the light fanatics being culprits.
Alleriaâs Vision of The Light during in her Short Story:
She saw the Light moving through the cosmos like a ravenous predator. She saw it touch the minds of Azerothâs mortalsâa touch that corrupted them forever. She saw generations live and die in invisible chains, bound to a force that granted them fleeting moments of peace in exchange for absolute obedience.
She saw war. She saw darkened worlds burning in holy fire. She saw millions of creatures encased in luminous crystals the size of mountains, sustained by the Light and unable to die. Warriors of the Light were monsters, corrupting and consuming everything they touched.
Itâs commentary from one of the limbflayers. The text is in a block with Limbflayer Lasha. She comments how they âmissâ the Botani because they tasted so good.
As for Alleriaâs vision? Since when has the void ever been trustworthy?
Consider: Weâve worked with naaru and the light for over a decade now. They advise and reward us for dealing with Kaelâthas once itâs known heâs sold out to the Legion. They help us against Illidan when he was all being evil in the wild west days of Burning Crusade. Their sacrifice helped to purify the Sunwell for the Blood Elves. They help with things like Crusader Bridenbrad in WotLK. (And câmon, donât bastardize that. It was an allegory for cancerâs cycle of hope and despair, and meant as a monument to the death of a developerâs relative.) They have shown nothing but compassion up until we met Xeâra. She was even stated to be the odd windchime out by the devs in old interviews. (And to be fair it would be WAY more interesting to see a faction fight between the âwe must advise the mortal races but not intervene ourselvesâ versus the âwe must control them to do our bidding for the Greater Good!â naaru. Thatâd be awesome. But this is BlizzardâŚ)
My apologies my fellow esteemed college, we did not mean to ignore your question for so long. I will happily answer it if your still curios. No it is not the forehead that attracts us, it is the tendrils.
So you think a quote thatâs practically background noise matters more than a prophecy from an important npc? All that information tells me is that all of the botani is dead, but doesnât explain anything. The prophecy explains what happened to the wild life. The light burned everything in sight, which is why smoke is everywhere and the world darkened. Itâs okay to be the bad guys sometimes.
You also have to realize this is AU not the same characters you are referring to.
/Waggle
Base form is boring. Get forged in the light.
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Lightforged are a gift.
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I mean, technically it is the same AU as the one we went to in WoD. So yâknow, wrong there. Like thereâs specifically text from Grommash saying he remembers people like the player character helping.
As for a prophecy, you mean a thing thatâs not even in the game and comes from a void lord? The ones who are known to be liars because they want to kill and devour everything?
And if the light burns everything in sight⌠how are the orcs and draenei still alive? Thatâs pretty magically specific to just skip over them and not hurt them at all while obliterating everything else.
Being the bad guy is fine, itâs the blatant character assassination thatâs the problem. Imagine if Sylvanas one day went from Banshee Queen to only caring about hugging puppies with no explanation. Just suddenly her only go is something completely opposite to what she was before.
Now then, enough about orcs. You smell bad and have terrible posture, go make yer own thread. This is for glorious arstozk- I mean, draenei.
No thanks.
Look up the light mother naaru, and that pretty much summarizes what happened. Have a nice day, but I wonât insult you.
La la la⌠Iâm a happy Draenei !
Lets all be happy !