The gap between M+ and Delves

Ok.

Delvers want to be anti social. I get it.

Tough making friends or something.

But that has nothing to do with anything I said

Forums delvers turning into the most toxic community.

Youre here mad cus bad and projecting because you want people forced to play your content.

We dont want too. We want delves and raiding and not to be forced into a not chill enviroment.

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Right now even the t11 delves aren’t difficult enough, in a balanced way, to reward gilded crests. For some classes they may be sufficiently difficult but for other’s (like most tanks) they are too easy. They are also too easy as groups because the mechanics don’t change.

I think the delve rewards are fine as they are. The crest changes will make it much easier to convert to gilded crests for upgrades or myth level crafting, especially if players mix in other content, like raids.

The roadmap for next season mentions Horrific Visions Revisited. In the original incarnation, they rewarded myth level gear. My hope is that they will use this to be the high difficulty/high reward component of the solo/delve pillar.

I’m happy with how delves are working out in season 1 and I’m willing to be patient while they continue developing them.

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We all have the same opportunity.

I am not mad at all.

How am I mad for saying delvers have meaningful progression?

You are the one complaining about everyone else being toxic. While constantly being toxic.

Im pretty happy with delves too as a heroic raider, but I def see the chatter all over reddit/twitter/these forums/etc. M+ is in a major downward trend and if you go pug this season you can see why. Its very offputting compared to pretty much every other activity in WoW. First time since chasing titles in cata arena Ive had to mentally prepare myself before playing.

“seen the chatter” is the least reliable source to cite.

Never said you don’t deserve stuff. But now you’re asking to be gifted things you never worked for. $15/mo gives you access, not gear. Playing the game, the type of content and level of play you do, is what gives you gear. The game has been working this way for 20 years, there is literally no valid reason for you to question this today.

Who cares. Stop being emotional.

Got it.

This is the irrational part of the conversation.

Just keep throwing insults at the other person while complaining about others being toxic.

Bratha you replied to my comment to somebody else bratha smesh dat keyboard make it tep bratha

It’s the WoW-boomer mentality.

“Back in my day we had to make friends uphill both ways in order to consistently be able to complete content in a way that didn’t make us rage quit the key. You kids these days have it too easy!”

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Maybe it’s good that delves keep some of the worst people out of m+

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Meanwhile in delves were doing puzzles and singing kumbayah as we make bnet friends and actually have social experiences inside lmao.

IK when you replied to me you were just a M+ shill, but I love that you have 0 problem acknowledging your biases.

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Pretty much the same. I’m not in a position that will even allow me to join a guild to work on raiding. But I can fill up my vault with Delves and I know I can at least get to 619.

But I really don’t care if I do or don’t as I’m not interested in the gear itself, I’m interested in it for the purpose of it helping me clear the content that I enjoy. And getting that Zekvir?? down. And that’s it. M+ or raiding isn’t for me so I’m content being somewhere between 600 and 619 on my toons.

So, for a few weeks now I haven’t played that much. Don’t really feel like grinding some more reps up to 25. I did most of the old content raids and stuff when I returned a year ago. I purchased DF, but didn’t really participate in it.

The new content coming today may get me back into it for a bit, and that’s fine. All in all, I’m happy with the game, with the gearing, and the content.

LOL and yes, repair bills. Maybe I’m not so keen on those.

lol, you think THAT is what’s happening? M+ is the worst it’s ever been in terms of behavior and cringe and social interaction, and we just now got delves for the first time, but it’s the DELVERS that are the bad apples?

That’s a logic error, beep!

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I do delves also.

I havent had a negative interaction in m+ since like once in S2 of dragon flight.

If you are attracting a constant stream of negativity, I would look inward.

The playerbase is literally eating itself in M+, its sad that PvE has become so incredibly toxic. Its supposed to be co operative PvE, but the chat reads like my DOTA2 ranked games.

You also say that you commonly run with friends so that isn’t a surprise. PuG scene you’ll average a few of those nasty interactions in every expansion.

It still isn’t as bad as people make it out to be.

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Ive been dong m+ just fine on multiple alts.

Problem with this game is OP doesnt know how to play it nor cares to learn just like majority of the playerbase.

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