You keep using this word, as if you don’t understand what it means.
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Actually it does. As you have zero experience with high end raiding you don’t have any credibility to say what is and isn’t a choice.
Since you can’t seem to understand that every ce guild is going to have requirements your opinion is worthless.
I know what it means.
You have zero experience in the content. If I wanted someone without any experiences opinion I would ask.
That all raiding is forcing players to do it is irrelevant. Once again, you are CHOOSING to raid. This is a CHOICE you made. Lots of folks don’t. It’s not a required part of the game. Not at all.
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it’s not that he doesn’t understand what it means. he’s conflating “Required by blizzard for the game to function” and “Required by guilds who are made up of players who decide what is and is not required”
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I’m not conflating anything. What percentage of the game chooses NOT to CE raid? Like 90%+?
wasn’t saying you were.
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I agree with you but we Delvers can upgrade our gear. Bounty maps drop gilded crusts and we can convert 90 runed to 15 gilded crests once we get 619 in every slot. You can get 45 a week in a snap by not getting the gear option and instead choosing the 6 token things and then you can exchange those for a quick 45 runed that you can work your way up to more gilded. It’s definitely not as efficient as Mythic+ but it’s there.
LOL I accidentally called them crusts instead of crests at first. I’m gonna leave that because it’s kind of not a typo. The ‘crust’ system could still definitely be improved.
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I never stated it was required by blizzard. Another swing and a miss.
interesting that you seem to genuinely think blizzard has no idea who plays their game or how players spend their time 
You mean can’t ce raid*
Literally everyone else “Its not a required thing by blizzards metrics.”
You: IT IS REQUIRED BY CE GUILDS THEREFOR IT IS 100% REQUIRED AT ALL TIMES.
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Watch out folks, he’s swinging the skill hammer around now! We aren’t worthy! We aren’t allowed to have opinions, no matter how silly his is!
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I’m running 3 80s through T7/8 delves and so far have gotten 4. Out of 90+ delves that’s just over 5%. And it took 25 between the 3rd and 4th. So that seems pretty consistent. So yes, I agree it’s disingenuous to say delves “drop heroic track” directly. 
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Actually I said I am required. I better stated it was blizzard. Stop making assumptions
I said it’s required for me to do the content I want to do.
I’m sorry you’re taking Ls and are desperate for a “gotcha”
Except I’m not. Your making a choice, to join a guild, that requires something. If you don’t want to do that something, that is your choice to put up with Player made requirements.
As I said, show me the gun blizzard is using to force you into delves, not made up groups of players, Blizzard.
There’s a word you should look up. It’s called credibility.
When you have zero experience or clue on the content you’re commenting on you have zero credibility.
No one asks a janitor their opinion on a proper brain surgery technique.
Most people don’t play at a ce level because they don’t have the ability too.
The key part of this quote is “to play it.” However, even in the original game, if you wanted actual decent gear you had to play with others in dungeons at the very least and if you wanted top gear you needed a guild of 40.
Oh wait, let me try again. I’m CHOOSING to not do M+ or raid, so therefore it’s irrelevant to me what skill level delves are, the gear is simply for me for the content I do, and has nothing to do with M+ or Raiding because I don’t do it.
Therefore I’ve determined, by my solo guild, that doing delves is REQUIRED, thus this gear is now IMPORTANT AND REQUIRED to me. By my guild. Comprised of me. So if you try to nerf Delve gear then you are impacting the REQUIRED stuff my guild is REQUIRING me to do.
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Hey - if it is best in slot for you/best you can get and you want it, go for it… farm it 'til you get it. But you got to get vault lucky given how few maps you get.
The original point being, choosing to be part of a guild that forces you to do content so you can do other content is 100% your choice.
Delves, just like M+ (and even crafted gear), are not the problem.
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