The argument I see is M+ people who complain about needing to do Delves or raid to get gear, but who are perfectly fine with Raiders or Delvers being forced into M+ content for gear upgrades (for gear they got raiding or running Delves).
That said, it’s better than it’s been in a long time, and today’s crest changes will make it even better.
I’m rather impressed at how much Blizzard has improved gearing (even PvP) since I quit three years ago.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW HARD CE RAIDING IS. Besides you. That you keep ignoring that is magnificently hilarious.
Delves are precisely the problem, because they are comparable to heroic dungeon difficulty but drop the same level loot as +7s.
You are.
If you weren’t you wouldn’t be saying anything about blizzard making them required. In fact blizzard stated they wouldn’t be required and then doubled down by over rewarding delves.
As you don’t have any experience raiding at a high level you can’t comprehend that every ce guild is going to have requirements.
My man are you seriously this obtuse? I never said blizzard was forcing me into anything.
Your reading comprehension is awful.
So they’re not required, then, and its your choice to do them to get into a guild that wants you to do them insteadof going elsewhere. Sorry, you lose.
My man. You’re the one who jumped into my comment trying to tell
Me to “find another guild that’s not a hard sweaty guild”
Don’t jump in conversations you aren’t smart enough to partake in to save yourself the embarrassment.
My god. If I want to raid at a ce level then yes they are required. This isn’t rocket science.
lol not even close. You’re taking multiple Ls in this thread.
Pretty sure I quite literally never said this. Would love to see you find it and quote it.
Correct. You Want to do a thing. And the thing you want to do, means you have to join a guild, of players. Who want you to do another thing, that you don’t want to do. And no one cares, because thats your choice, to join those things. Its not Required by the game, its YOUR choice.
I was the one who said his guilds probably full of meta sweats, he meant to reply that to me I think. lmao.
He simply refuses to see what’s in front of him. Denial is a long, long river, especially when you are going upstream.
They are only a problem if you feel you are force to do them, which you are not. There are zero scenarios where you have to do delves to go do m+ or raiding.
You chose to do them, or be part of a group that forces you to do them, to engage in other content.
Might as well be mad that your guild requires you to be max level to raid…
It is just that simple.
It’s me, the person who mostly did delves and finally made their way into doing keys and is enjoying keys now, too.
No, do not nerf the loot in delves or make it harder. The reason I wasn’t doing keys until recently and just doing delves is because keys were too stressful and difficult. If I didn’t have the alternative to do, delves, I would have just quit the game by now and have never eventually moved onto doing keys. Delves were a stepping stone for me to move onto harder content.
Leave delves alone or you will only make it harder to find people to do keys with, making delves harder or nerfing the loot from them will not fix that problem at all.
But I AM the one that is entering the conversation without a clue. While he’s quoting the wrong people while frothing and foaming. LOL.
Don’t forget screaming that everyone but him is taking L’s because he wanted to join a guild that has (Player set) requirements.
No, delves dropping hero track gear while being orders of magnitude easier than other content doing the same is a problem with Blizzard’s game design, but they are very obviously doing it to pad numbers.
Lol
The only one here in denial is you.
Yes I got the two of you mixed up as you’re both green.
I mean you did enter the conversation talking about what is and isn’t required for ce raiding without ever having raided at that level.
By definition you’re still clueless and I still win 
Stating a fact is screaming now?
lol yall are so desperate for a win it’s sad.
Oh no, more people playing the game, the horror! 
I CREATED THE CONVERSATION. Unbelievable. It’s MY thread. So of course I’m engaging in things. And yes, I get that high end raiding has things they force players to do. But you still CHOOSE to do it. Whether you can see that or not is your problem.