The gap between M+ and Delves

3x3. So more days but not necessarily much more hours since a lot of 2 day guilds are 2x4 or 2x3.5.

Moreso the jump to HoF though.

Do you not see the irony here?

This is and has been a topic of issue. For multiple expansions before Delves.

I didn’t make any personal attacks.

You clearly don’t understand what requirements are.

Mplus isn’t braindead atleast.

Actually it’s a delves are over rewarding issue as stated.

We don’t raid Wednesdays besides maybe first few weeks heroic.

We lost 35 ranks this tier to waiting 2 days after nerfs to kill queen.

How am I clueless? You are CHOOSING to join one of those guilds, because you WANT to do that content. I understand the guilds have requirements just fine, and I understand why they do. But it’s still a CHOICE you are making.

If I CHOOSE to play as a solo player, my gaming life becomes more difficult because I don’t have a set group to do M+ or Raid with. I made that CHOICE.

It’s you who simply doesn’t seem to understand what they are saying.

T11 is pretty difficult with only 616 gear for me. I’d like to knock out that achievement, but it is very grindy. Small gear upgrades would be helpful.

Delves and LFR are the only things in this game keeping casuals in it. If Blizzard doesn’t figure that out and keep catering to you no lifers, this game is dead. To keep this game running make delve difficulty 8 the base line for mythic +8. Or…. Enjoy the toxicity

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You really have no dog in this fight. Stop arguing with people who actually do the content about the content.

Or, consider that they have levels below 8. Heroic dungeons, T3&4 delves. Those can be for players who want easy content with rewards appropriate to the level of difficulty.

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To me that’s just another reason maybe gear isn’t all it’s cracked up to be as a system. It makes balancing harder, it takes Dev time to implement, it means content has to be tuned relative to eachother, and more importantly it seems to make people feel bad when they don’t have it.

Except the argument isnt about the content, its about player choice and involvement in guilds that require certain things, which are exclusively a guild issue and player choice, not a blizzard issue.

I have only been in 2x3 guilds as I shoot apa pool on Wednesday nights.

Since most ce guilds are Tuesday/wednesday/Thursday or Wednesday/thursday

Maybe if I had a newer pc and divorced my wife so I could play every night and hope I got better😂

I know I don’t play at that level

i liked it better when people were whining about rewards like mounts and cosmetics than gear levels.

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HAHAHA you looked up my achievements to see if I can speak to folks choosing to raid or not. Unbelievable. You sir, win the Petty award. If you can clearly explain how choosing to raid is not a choice, I’d love to hear it.

It is a Blizzard issue because the requirements set by guilds is a direct result of the discrepancy in rewards from other end-game pillars. The times we see the most vocalization from raiders was when M+ was far too rewarding. Now it’s Delves.

Dunning Kruger.

And it was originally raiders whining about Mythic +, and now the mythic + are whining about delvers, and eventually delvers will find something to whine about, or they wont because the solo players who the delves were made for dont tend to go to mythic + or heroic/mythic raiding.

It’s not just M+ players complaining, it’s both now since Delves is objectively too rewarding compared to the other pillars. Blizzard even stated that there was no on-ramp to M+ because players started the season outgearing the content. They have reiterated their philosophy just recently about balancing rewards with difficulty.

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Blizzard Also flatly said that they find the level of rewards out of delves and time spent in it to be exactly where they want it.

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I think more people would be happier if they only felt the need to do things they enjoyed. And the only way to do that is to remove the thing everyone’s doing things they don’t enjoy for.

People feel X aren’t rewarding enough Because other more rewarding things exist.

People feel X is too rewarding because compared to Y it gives the same gear but is easier.

People resent X because it’s rewards are expected to be used to complete Z.

Remove gear, kill 3 birds with 1 stone.

No they didn’t. You are adding words to that.