People have given many reasons many times, you just refuse to acknowledge them.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, but I can’t help feeling you just don’t care much for consistency when it comes to racial identity, not even your own.
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To be honest, I actually really like her in game model; It hits right into that point between beauty and uncanniness that brings to mind vampires and such.
I just hate her handling in the story as a very generic priestess archetype, the entire point of the Forsaken from a gameplay standpoint is the morbid characterization, and the potential leader is essentially just a therapist.
While interesting if this had the continuing storyline of a book, the stop and go narrative style of WoW doesn’t really work for this kind of dynamic.
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Doesn’t Calia explicitly say that her interest in the Forsaken was because of the possibility of her daughter having been raised into undeath, not guilt about the actions of her… 5? years dead brother?
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its a story you cant have warmongers like forsaken keep plaguing and killing without the other races doing something about it, its called consequences
which is pretty much what the forsaken need, they been raging out lashing out at the world destroying it, cause arthas did a bad thing to them
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Again, that would be good in a series of books, but everything in WoW is either completed in a day or left in limbo for years. The whole point of a therapist in a story is to actually highlight character development, not force them into a different characterization with a hammer.
If we want to just hand wave why the Forsaken are suddenly not angry at everything around them then Calia literally wouldn’t even be necessary since they could just make Voss and the rest of the leadership simultaneously have a change of heart from the losses of the War.
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which doesnt matter cause the racial stories always take the backseat anyways
Op has a good point, though the best point should be the almost universal rejection the sole idea of Forsaken Leader Calia has on the actual Forsaken players (not the people desperately wanting to hide behind Blanduin with boobs hoping this WON´T let the devs villain bat the Horde -newflash guys: this doesn´t matter, Horde WILL get villain batted regardless-…
Also, why are you people feeding Katiera?
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She expresses hope that maybe her daughter is among them because she can’t find her elsewhere.
But her interior monologue during the Gathering indicates that she cares for them in general, not just her Schrodinger daughter.
Such BIG care she had to be hunted by Voss and get begged to help. Such BIG care she resorted to help the Night Elf Dark Rangers first instead of making Voss get her in touch with Velonara et al. Such BIG care she only decided to think about the Forsaken in teh first place until AFTER windchime told her to…
/sighs
Some people I swear… borderline trolling at it´s finest.
Are you one of the writers? Cause if you are, I´m afraid you need to look for a new profession ASAP…
having a different opinion is trolling kek
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Eh. The Player Character is strictly Human Undead, not Helf nor Nelf nor Gnome nor otherwise.
But that’s all easily fixed by a renewed Desolate Council:
- Calia Menethil = Queen of Lordaeron, voice 1 of Human Forsaken
- Lilian Voss = put her in charge of the Forsaken normal military, voice 2 of Human Forsaken
- Dark Ranger Velonara = put her in charge of the Dark Rangers, voice 1 of Helf Forsaken
- Aelthalyste = give a greater focus to the Cult of Forgotten Shadow, voice 2 of Helf Forsaken, has a Banshee model which slaps
- Delaryn Summermooon = Nelf Forsaken
- Nelf Forsaken Number 2, given Sira sided with Sylvanas, just pull out a name from somewhere
And look, it’s all ladies! Allows NPCs to keep using “Dark Lady” for Calia, keeps the “Girl in charge” theme of the Forsaken that we’ve always had.
If you want to add dudes, there’s:
- Deathstalker Commander Belmont
- Gunther Arcanus, who is described as having willed himself to become a Lich
- Master Apothecary Faranell
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That doesn’t actually resolve the question of why Calia should be there at all.
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cuz she’s hot, functionally the Queen of Lordaeron, sister of Arthas so gets Stolen Valor points, has other lore ties to allow for narrative progression, you can weave a narrative of Undead Lordaeronian Humans and Undead High Elves being like “where do we go from here with Banshee Queen gone” and it’s like “oh look it our actual queen” and the Dark Rangers are like “hmm” and then Calia is like “Wait I haven’t been around too long so lets establish a council. Err Velonara you’re Ranger General now and uhhh Aelthalyste we’re gonna bring back Cult of Forgotten Shadow for the lore people” etc
what you think Blizz is gonna put a Not Hot Dude in charge of the Forsaken after almost two decades of Simping and money from simping? c’mon now
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I suggest that you read the OP for a detailed explanation as to why this wouldn’t work.
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and your explanation is crap dude
I’m from Colombia. I’m an immigrant to the US, moved here when I was 5. Do you think that because of “too much diversity” nobody actually cares about “the rightful queen”? Do you think I’m likewise, and other immigrants, or first gens, not invested in the US?
Dude look at England and Spain, you got South Asian or North African members of Parliament who simp for the Throne.
Hell you got Indigenous peoples in Latin America who periodically simp for the Spanish Throne. And it’s been TWO HUNDRED YEARS since that was relevant and only relevant because of 300 prior years of colonialism.
People are like that.
edit:: like what are you where are you IRL that you think your explanation makes sense lmao
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Sure, but if your argument is “nobody actually cares who is queen” then that also is an argument against Calia, since if the Forsaken are fundamentally apathetic about it then it stands to reason that any other character would be just as, if not more appropriate.
This “Forsaken backgrounds only matter if it’s specifically a Lordaeron background” nonsense is a laughable double standard and it keeps getting trotted out.
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That isn’t what I said at all lmao
Majority of Forsaken that we see are Humans and High Elves. Your argument is that lorewise other people were present, that Lordaeron was diverse.
My argument is what does diversity have to do with buying into and participating in “national”/cultural myths of where they are?
Sylvanas was in charge for many years. The Banshee QUEEN. Her rule was law.
So she’s gone, betrayed everyone. People feel lost.
Not just the Forsaken we’ve known (Lordaeron Peoples, Quel’dorei, possibly some formerly Sin’dorei Sanlayn, Arathi Peoples etc) but also now Night Elves too.
The Forsaken we’ve known though lived in Undercity. That was Lordaeron. That was their home. Passing through the throne to enter for as long as they’ve been there. There is myth and meaning to the land they call home even if they’re not “originally” from there.
So with their Banshee Queen gone after betraying them, why wouldn’t the Lordaeron Human majority, with their national myths, be used to accept Calia as Queen? The sister of the man who slaughtered and raised the High Elves?
The Forsaken also have a lore problem that the decay continues in undeath. Calia appears not to have that problem. Maybe she can give the Forsaken immortality via combining LIght and Shadow like was used to raise her. A more perfect undeath that solves the lore problem of undeath.
And again
Edit putting myself in the shoes of each “majority” groups within the Forsaken that we’ve seen, and taken into consideration what the Desolate Council wanted:;
- Lordaeronian Humans miss their humanity and identity as Lordaeron
- Lordaeronian Other Race would’ve cared about their home in some capacity, a relation to the city and the land and its history
- High Elves feel probably PARTICULARLY betrayed by Sylvanas as she was one of theirs in some sense, and as per Velonara she considers the Sin’dorei “her people” so probably felt doubly salty from Kael’thas betrayal too; Arthas being the cause of their undeath makes Calia an interesting point of contention (and thus plot)
- Night Elves we know feel betrayed by Elune, and now Sylvanas too, but were also formerly Alliance, so have reasons to find solidarity with the undead High Elves, and likewise pre-Darkshore some degree of care with Derek as a Kul Tiran who was forced into undeath by Sylvanas’ Valkyr
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You do raise good points - the Forsaken are absolutely an undead melting pot - I’m just not sure what the alternative would be at this point. With the character this race was created and defined by gone, the Forsaken are 100% directionless if they’re denied their story beats in Lordaeron too.
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You keep on arguing that the Forsaken are overwhelmingly dominated by people with Lordaeron backgrounds when I already made a giant OP demonstrating why that isn’t the case. If you aren’t willing to meet effort with effort I don’t see what the point is in engaging with you.
Not really? They are directionless if their story is “people of Lordaeron” though, since that isn’t really a direction or goal, it’s just a status.
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I acknowledged the diversity and regardless Undercity is literally the Ruins of Lordaeron the city. That was their home, and thus like any “diverse people” in a place, you care about the history, myths, and stories of that place. I literally say that in the post. Stop being obtuse.