The Forsaken Are Lordaeron

True enough.

No it does not. It makes it Horde content because even though we are helping Suramar in a neutral capacity the Nightborne ultimately ended up as a Horde race.

Similarly, the Guardians of the Dream are a mostly Night elf(and therefore Alliance content) because like it or not it is an Alliance race.

We could extend this to any of the Allied races. The Lightforged/a good chunk of what was done in Argus was allied tied content. Unless you and Dread want to admit there was no Alliance bias for the latter half of Legion?(the lightforged was neutral at the time and its members like Alleria/Turaylon were neutral at that point)

Although you could still count Velen and the army of Draenei characters manning the Vindicaar (also a Draenei creation, rather then AotL). And a motley of other Alliance characters compared to
 2? Horde characters iirc.

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As oppose to everyone in Suramar and Thunder totem who all ended up as Horde?

Thalyssra, Mayla etc all ended up as Horde characters and all their story/deeds became Horde lore.

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Point that flew completely over your head is those characters weren’t horde when the legion expansion was current. Hence, it’s not horde content

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I mean in regards to maintaining neutral characters at the time they were neutral.

A lot of the Vindicaar characters were Alliance at the time.

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And alot were not. In fact, the only named ones of importance were Velen, Vereesa and the draenei.

People like Turaylon, Alleria, Khadgar, Magni were decidedly neutral/not official part of the Alliance at that time.

I would also point out lorewise the various order halls were part of the patch and neutral even though visually there were just represented by a small group manning the mission table.

I would argue that is WORSE. These are characters we helped only for them to turn their back and join a organization that cause untold misery to the Alliance.

Regardless, the moment a race join a faction their story becomes part of said faction. Warts and all. Hence why the Horde fans keep saying the Alliance are worse then the Horde for letting the night elves, a race that had a hand in the sundering join it.

Really the only important characters in the patch were Velen, Illidan, Turalyon and Alleria.

The big point in that is that there wasn’t really an important Horde character balancing out Velen (which itself was mostly due to Blizzard never really setting up a Horde anti-Legion character).

It’s actually quite similar to Cata’s elemental focus putting Thrall in the limelight, but there we had the caveat that Blizzard pre-emptively had Thrall leave the Horde to be neutral.

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And we have stories like Highmountain and Suramar were the main characters ended up being Horde aligned. Their stories end up being Horde ones and NOT Alliance or even neutral ones.

Blizzard has ALWAYS preferred factions stories to be asymetrical. Their logic is if we just mirror the story then there is not point.

I
 what? I think that’s been used as a retort when people say “Well your race caused XYZ” but that’s not really something that’s used, I haven’t seen that in years.

On the other hand letting in genocidal demonic space goats and letting them chill in your space ship


Even if at this point I don’t care I do think letting them anywhere in your ship is stupidity incarnate.

According to Zerde’s philosophy of retroactive Gameplay, everything Sindorei prior to and including Legion - from BC to Argus - is also Alliance content. Because Void Elves are Sindorei who were exiled.

Even if he is right, that is some Alliance bias.

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Dang we have really been conned out of alot of content. Using Zerde’s metrics we must get a new expac solely focused on the Horde.

But this time can we please not be the baddies? But still focused on us. And maybe some allied races to boot. If Alliance got Man’ari give us, idk, Naga or something. With a visage form for riding around.

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It is. In Blizzard’s infinite wisdom they made sure the Void elves were Sindorei and not say high elves and blood elves story is part their story.

But the flip side of that is now Lordearon’s own story(which is a very core part of Alliance lore) is also part of the Horde’s story(that is a pretty huge Horde bias there), hence we are all taking about “Forsaken are Lordaeron”. Or do you want to admit they are not “Lordaeron” at all?

Lordaeron as a whole has had fairly little plot in WoW though. WC3? Oh absolutely. Pre-WoW? You betcha. But in WoW quests and lore related to it have always been Forsaken related.

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Congrats on your Jd! As a soon to be lawyer, I’m sure you’ll do quite well exploiting
 oops, I mean representing the interests of the Forsaken and their property rights :slight_smile:

jk
 Congrats!

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Lordaeron is the property of the Forsaken.

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Some people keep insisting otherwise for some reason.

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It’s tragic that Blizzard forces people to congregate in the least interesting cities on each faction.

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They are Horde. AFAIK, they haven’t claimed a specific ethnicity beyond that. Delaryn however should fit right in with the more nihilistic segment of the Forsaken.

I don’t think she’s claimed a leadership position over the other Dark Rangers though. I don’t think they even ever had one outside of Sylvannas. So some may very well have left with her to parts unknown then most likely were ditched by her.

Lordaeron is a destroyed dump, y’all literally fighting over nothing.

I think that’s the irony that gets lost. From a ingame and out of game perspective. It is a literal plagued dump :smile_cat:

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