The Flight/Pathfinder compromise

Only because one party in this agreement decided those were the choices. A compromise is both parties negotiating. Voting with your wallet is apparently the only language the current team understands, and that is most likely because their bosses only tolerate their ego so long as it does not overly impact profits.

They care nothing about the players of this game.

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Still waiting for an answer would you rather have NO flying?

Game development is not and should not be a democracy. We had two choices Pathfinder or no flying.

I would rather not subsidize a tantrum, you left that option out. I picked up a couple of other MMO’s a few weeks ago, unlike the current WoW leadership, they seem interested in providing what players want.

I won’t play a game any longer where I am told that I don’t get to play the whole game until I do my chores. Not worth it.

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I don’t do PTR so I haven’t seen these “annoyances” but if it’s just like the HK in Mech then that’s ok, I don’t think it has ever really bothered me. But if it’s truly annoying then all it will do is accelerate how soon I stop playing. I haven’t pre-purchased Shadowlands and am already planning on unsubbing on launch day until ~6 weeks before flight is FULLY available. If 8.3 turns any zones into no-fly like Argus then I’ll be done that much earlier. It’s too bad, I really like the rest of the game, it just requires flight and I’m no longer paying blizz to punish me with grounding. :see_no_evil::hear_no_evil::speak_no_evil:

Speaking of tantrums… Bye :wave::wave::wave:

They didn’t compromise… Also, removing flight would kill the game.

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I actually second this, but only because it decides whether or not I keep playing (and paying). Although I really don’t want them to remove flying, I want to get off this missing-hindquarters Pathfinder BS once and for all. I’m going to be unsubbed for half of Shadowlands most likely because of Pathfinder, I’d just like to know earlier if it’s going to be permanent. :speak_no_evil::hear_no_evil::see_no_evil::sob:
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Blizzard forcibly removed my previously granted ability to buy flight at max level, reasonably defined as robbing. So no, not a compromise.
As far as the choices, for me its boiled down to either flying or unsubbing, that’s my “compromise” to blizzard. :see_no_evil::hear_no_evil::speak_no_evil:

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Am paying attention how they handle this flight issue. Not so much because flight is a “make or break it” point for me, but more because it is telling of the way they handle things.
It tells me how they’d approach other things.

I skip intended obstacles and mobs while grounded. Saddles plus Shadowmeld/Stealth allow me to only fight what I want to fight, then whistle back to FP, skipping everything. I afk on those FP rides too.

When I can fly, I actually control my character all the way to the next objective, stopping for nodes, rares, and treasures along the way. I see and do less while grounded. It’s far less immersive.

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That’sa good point. But I think you’ve attained those skills avoiding enemies while grounded by engaging the game and correctly using your abilities, which is fantastic! You’re playing a game.
When you fly… as it is now… there’s hardly any game. You just go point A to point B skipping would be obstacles effortlessly.
You’re right that the vantage point height from flying lets you clearly see where you’d go next.
Not sure if getting lost is part of the intention of a level…

Still a compromise no matter how much you say that.

And yet you’re still here just like a lot of people who cry about Pathfinder.

My silly mistake, I didn’t think trolls could be paladins. I see now and feel silly for wasting my time.

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It’s a debuff that slows your flying mount down to walking speed in the quest areas.

IE: We lost a ton of subs when we put in no-fly at the end of legion, so now we are just going make it so annoying you won’t want to do it

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It just occurred to me… and I’ll leave this here as an example what NOT to do.
To lock flight until a certain patch release, AND THEN making the following patch content flight MANDATORY.
… like one cannot travel through the new parched content unless you HAVE flight.
This would be very very bad when in CONJUNCTION with the current Pathfinder state of affairs.
It means, that Pathfinder requirements are made mandatory because flight is necessary in the following content.

… and I write this, cause I have a bad feeling some dev would actually think that would be a good idea.
“Oh so you wanted flight? There! Pathfinder is now mandatory. You’ll need to fly through ALL next patch!”
That would be a really spiteful thing to do…

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it’s sad, but I can honestly see them doing this since PF numbers are way down this expac from the Legion.

Anything to pump up those numbers so that when they are sitting at the big table they can pull up the powerpoint sheet that shows “X number of players reached revered with the turtles, it was a smashing success!” or “Y number of people completed PF, see? We told you it would be popular!”

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I’m here because I can actually fly right now. :grin: The unsubbing wont happen until I can’t fly, so right around Shadowlands launch, if not earlier due to some stupid decision for 8.3. :speak_no_evil::hear_no_evil::see_no_evil:

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Yeah that is the smart thing to do. We can wait it out till the diablo B team is shuffled away from WoW.

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That’s practically the dictionary definition of a sociopath, which applies to the anti-flying crowd in particular.