Just realized via multiple Discord Channels that there’s actually a handful of beings we don’t know about yet per se:
Wonder if they’re all gonna be revealed to be “The First Ones”. Especially given An’she is tied to the Shadowlands for the Tauren, and within their mythos is tied to Cenarius and Elune.
We really need a new term for very old possibly super powerful race. We have She-ra using the term as well.
Was linked this video. Most of it I violently don’t agree with but the Uldum Keeper analysis is interesting and now I’m looking at the four Keepers in Uldum and thinking maybe they were created to mirror “The First Ones” rather than anything else.
I get where you’re coming from and I am mostly in agreement. I just have intense Titan fatigue.
It’s not inherent to the titans themselves; I am just tired of everything being explicitly tied to them - troll architecture, Uldir, Mother, etc. Matters are not helped by Magni (who I find very irritating down to the character’s voice) either.
I preferred it when the Titans were more mysteriously presented, and no more than architects of the world. Somewhere along the line though, architects of the sandbox became players within the sandbox - and I say this as someone who liked their involvement towards the end of Legion, too.
More like one of the first intelligent race of the Death Realm but likely serve to someone even higher than the Jailor and the Arbiter
And yet a non-sentient tree IS considered a form of life.
And since plant creatures are classified as elementals, elementals are also life.
Sure, I get that. I don’t think the two ideas are contradictory at all. We can have titan fatigue and still not want Blizz to basically toss them aside and go “here are the REAL creator gods!” the way they did with the BL when introducing the Void Lords.
i don´t beliefe An’She exist.
i think elune will be a first one…maybe the creatior of all live…so naaru, titans…elementals and so on.
Eh. It’s standard comics logic, kinda need to if you wanna expand the universe.
(Commentary): To be honest it always seemed far-fetched that the Titans would’ve been the first intelligent life in the universe. We know how they come to be, and it’s not a quick process. Life forms on the worlds they are born from, long before they’re born. Life existed in the Twisting Nether long before it existed in the material plane too. With this in mine, I think this is an interesting way to delve further into the ancient past of the universe.
you know like how statues of hooded guys are existing all over the universe getting digged from the ground.
My supposition would be if there are Void Lords, and likely Light counterparts of some sort… perhaps the Progenitors are the ones between? They might be the architects of the various systems which keep reality ticking, such as the machinery of death.
I could see Elune as something like that. Balance is a big theme for her–That is literally what druids devoted to her are based in. Perhaps Elune was the Progenitor who designed and constructed Ardenweald, even.
A real turn on your perspective thought—Perhaps Elune taught the Kaldorei words from the Titan language because the progenitors taught the language to the Titans to begin with.
Also makes me wonder if perhaps Elunaria was actually a progenitor complex, which is why Eonar was able to evade the Legion for such an incredible period of time.
I am not really opposed to the idea of the First Ones and it could be an explanation of Elune.
I also feel pretty sure the Earthmother was the Tauren’s understanding of the World Soul itself. Baine even says in his meeting with Jaina that the Earthmother is dying while the Horde is consumed with it’s war.
An’she may or may not be something but we have never seen anything indicating it.
I could see the Jailor being one who got usurped perhaps by the others.
Outside of that, I do think we are going to be learning about ultra ancient powers tied to each of the cosmic forces. In Legion there was a passing mention of demonic beings in the depths of the Twisting Nether so powerful that the Legion just didn’t try recruiting them since they were too risky to try and force into service. In Legion as well we learned of extremely powerful arcane beings since the Arcane mage artifact literally housed one.
I suspect we will learn in the long run that Azeroth’s world soul intentionally exists as an attempt to act as a balance to the cosmic forces and achieve a kind of equilibrium. Someone mentioned the idea that they could have been beings from a former universe that survived the Light consuming it in a kind of endless cycle of reforming and then being consumed by either the Light or the Void only to reform again. Seeing them as beings attempting to break that cycle would be pretty interesting. Perhaps a bit overly trippy and out there for WoW though.
Just four lore pieces:
I kind of like the notion that those statues of the mysterious hooded beings we often see on Azeroth in certain locations are the actual Progeinators. They were never really explained anyway and it would fit the lore quite nicely, since they been a part of the game for a long time now.
I think An’She a First One wouldn’t be very good, and don’t get me started on “faction balance”; the difference is the duration and how important Blizz Elune always stressed, and An’She for comparison, I think An’She as a Light-Connected Being (hence Sun), would be more logical than a First One.
I speculate personally that the “First Ones” are beings that encompass and are the primordial agents of the cosmic forces and probably aren’t limited to one.
Elune for example we know has ties to Order/Arcane (via Tear of Elune), to Life/Nature (Emerald Dream stuff), and to Light/Holy (via Naaru connection through Tear of Elune, Velen, etc).
An’she as of right now has ties to Light/Holy (straightforward), to Death (Shadowlands Tauren ritual), and to Life/Nature (within Tauren folklore), and possibly a Disorder/Destruction aspect (assuming a Rajh or Pandaren Five Suns myth relation).
I think it’s fine Elune has always been involved in mortal affairs whereas the other Progenitors were always on the side or doing stuff indirectly.
I’m hoping so too but as in that represents ONE of the Progenitors, hopefully Death AND Void related.
I rather they be the actual gods of this universe. Every good fantasy universe has them. Warhammer being the most well known with the Chaos Gods and of course the Lovecraftian “Gods”. Oh and Dungeons and Dragons with their patheon of gods. Warcraft I feel needs to start branching out more and start filling in their cosmology.
Elune has so far shown connections to the element water, to light, arcane, nature, death and shadow. Only Fel had not been there before.
Same, or at least similar to how The Endless function in the DC Universe.
But is Elune shadow stuff (e.g. what Tyrande does in the cutscene) shadow-shadow as in Void? Personally given the whole “Night Warrior in Shadowlands Spooky Black Moon Self Destructive Power” bit I felt it more some sort of shadowy-nonvoid Death magic.