When they say lowest parsing spec, that likely includes tanks, healers, and maybe even hunter pets.
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If âbottomâ meant 80-85% of the highest DPS, thatâs one thing. If âbottomâ meant 30-40% of the highest DPS, thatâs entirely another.
Weâre not in the former situation.
This mind-reading, sinister motive crap needs to stop. The Spelladin spec doesnât even compete with Warrior gearâŚ
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He talks as if it matters. You donât need to min/max to clear raids. You can very easily take 100% âsub parâ raid comp and still clear raids. Only real time it matters is when you have a ton of braindead morons in the raid group and you HAVE to try and push out every single hps/dps number to kill boss before wipe. Iâll take an entire raid of boomkins, ret pally, spriest, feral druids n odd healers if the players are skilled.
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I knew this was going to happen.
Eh, I donât think itâs the norm. Itâs just some min/max retail players trying to bring their cringe to Classic, causing legit players whoâre trying to read this place to go through it all, giving the illusion that everyone is like this.
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No. Whatâs selfish is dragging your friends and guildmates down because you refuse to play your class to its maximum effectiveness. Should we let fire mages raid MC too?
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Hahaha.
The numbers being higher means your contribution is higher, buddy. Do you know what DPS is?
Iâd definitely care about the Ret Paladin not being on 25 because anyone managing to lose in damage to a Ret is slacking.
Literally EVERY other spec is capable of doing more DPS.
Iâd like to point out I donât actually care about the individual ranking on the meters; I care about the specâs capabilities.
A well geared Rogue can beat a poorly geared Warrior. That doesnât mean Warrior isnât the better spec for DPS.
The fact some specs perform better is always applicable, not just when itâs the difference between downing a boss or not.
400 DPS is better than 200 DPS, so people should strive for 400 DPS, even if 150 DPS is all you need.
You can Rebirth every half hour. Itâs not that useful of an ability if you arenât making mistakes, and if you are making mistakes, it wonât be usable frequently enough to matter.
Because raiding is a cooperative effort, and being useful to the other 39 people in your raid is considerate and makes things better for everyone involved.
This is why people call Ret players selfish. âWhy would anyone care about being useful?â Hahaha, thatâs exactly the Ret motto.
Itâs not about being absolute best.
For example, Rogues are not the absolute best, but people still bring plenty of Rogues?
Why? Because they are, at worst, maybe 5-10% less damage than a Fury Warrior.
Ret, by contrast, is 60% worse. When you only do 40% of the DPS, itâs a problem. That has nothing to do with not being the best. Thatâs just a silly strawman that anti-min/maxers spew out when they donât understand the arguments being made.
Then Iâd be calling Warriors bad, obviously. I donât have anything personally against Ret in particular; they just so happen to be the worst spec, is all.
Druid main here. Ret sucks.
Furthermore:
Argument debunked. Next?
Learn to read. I never said min/maxing was needed to clear raids.
However, min/maxing isnât invalidated just because of that fact.
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If meme specs like ret pally can raid I donât see any reason me and the mages canât raid fire. The content is so easy any spec is viable and anyone who says otherwise is just being negative! 
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Iâm telling you, go Smite spec and just destroy those meters! Mobs have no Holy resistance aside from level difference so its definitely better!
<.<
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Lol this is such a joke of a stance. Once again, if you want to min/max thatâs fine, you do you. Atleast I certainly hope youâre just an angry min/maxxer, because if not you must really need to make the boss fight as easy as possible to down them
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What I find is amusing, pre classic release all the cry babies that wanted classic because you had freedom with talent builds opposed to the pick 1 of 3 they have now. Then you see all the hate from not playing cookie cutter.
You think you do, but you donât.
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Iâm sorry Iâm busy designing my new DEMON MASTER spec where I put my talent points in all my demon buffing talents. I expect everyone in this thread defending ret pallys to let me tank their 5 mans with my improved voidwalker because thatâs how I want to play the game and you are selfish and negative if you donât let me!
Anyone that thought you could just play whatever you wanted in Vanilla 15yrs ago is simply revealing to the world that they didnât play in Vanilla, or were one of the many teenager kids that had no clue what they were even doing.
At least this time around Iâm not being screamed at for being a Bear, but only because the theorycrafting is so much more well established to refute the push back.
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If you switch weapons before the buff expires you lose the buff
Ah, thanks for letting us know you donât understand the difference between a dps build/utility build and an actual tank who is supposed to lead the raid.
However i will let you tank some elite mobs (so thanks for offering)!
Wanna know why I donât care what spec players play, especially in MC? Because itâs as easy as a raid can be, and my friends/guild prefer to have fun in a game versus kick someone who isnât specced into exactly what we want.
Enjoy thinking that way tho
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First off, five seconds of this guyâs voice is way too much.
Secondly, all heâs doing is tunneling the boss. All those utility tools paladins have to help their raid and heâs ignoring them because ZOMG METURZ. That strikes me as a terrible way to play a paladin.
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You still have freedom with your talents, though.
Even within Holy Paladin, for example, thereâs several different ways to spend your talent points while still being the same âspec.â
Noting, accurately, that Ret is the worst DPS spec in the game is not the same as saying we want to have fewer talent choices that can be changed at whim for every single fight.
Thatâs because the role of DPS is to deal damage. All the utility he has will not help achieve that goal, and the utility he does bring is clearly visible. He has buffs. Theyâre applied.
Youâre right. Ret is a terrible way to play Paladin.
Have fun trying to get past Vael with all those ret pallys you are carrying!
Imagine getting pissy about a 15 year old game
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Imagine saying itâs the end of a spec in a 15 year old game
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