W/e you listed typically are basics, which take a few minutes to read and figure out, not something you need to practice. There are only 6 tank classes and they literally haven’t had any significant changes since bfa, including catweaving (which has been a thing since vanilla). And you still have to learn classes as an experienced player ?
I’ll vote kick anyone and everyone if the game gives me dungeon guide, if they don’t like it they can make their own group!
I’ve pug tanked over 1,000 keys. How many did you do?
Also, SL S1 was much more of a challenge compared to BFA considering all of the complaining that was happening about how hard it was. The same sort of thing happened in DF S1.
That’s hilarious when you are the one making this all about me. Do we need to rewind and look at who initiated this?
Are you seriously telling me that a tank going into delves doesn’t tank? What? They still have to learn about basic tanking skills, you know, their toolkit.
If my tanking experience is “limited” then yours is non existent.
SL S1: You didn’t tank
SL S2: Three whole keys on your warrior and 25 total keys on your DK@+13.
SL S3: 29 total keys on your DK when it was meta class @+16
SL S4: 83 keys on your warrior @+21. Seems like the first season you actually tanked a season during the easiest season of the expansion.
DF S1: 60 keys on your warrior @+17
DF S2: 82 keys on your warrior @+21 and 27 keys on your DK @+17
DF S3: 10 keys on your warrior @+18 and 11 keys on your DK @+21
DF S4: 30 keys on your warrior @ +8 and 39 keys on your DK @+10
TWW S1: 25 keys on your warrior @+7
I can now say with 100% certainty that I have tanked over twice as many keys than you and at a consistently higher level. Stop trying to talk to me like you have more experience or that my advice to a completely fresh tank to start with Followers or Delves is bad. If you want to say you are better at DPS or Healing go for it, I won’t challenge you there, Spirits.
To the people on here who are defending the stance of this, thank you and let’s m make this game enjoyable for new players, returning players, or players who have been playing and want to try out new specializations or classes. To the people who are saying dungeons must be ran as fast as you possibly can or else you don’t deserve to be doing them, you are a part of this problem. If you’re choosing to level an alt after you’ve maxed the leveling experience shouldn’t cater to you it should cater to the new people who are experiencing the beauty of the game and getting to breathe everything in for the first time. A person should not be kicked for playing how they like to play.
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You didn’t play or tank BFA. Your opinion doesn’t matter.
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Not a chance. Like I said, you didn’t even tank when it was hard like in BFA. I think it is damaging to your case that you tank so many keys and don’t even push any higher than me, a guy that doesn’t even m+ seriously.
And I know you don’t want to talk about anything other than SL or DF, the two most garbage m+ expansions of all time, including the absolute gutting of affixes.
You know why you like tanking? Because it is the easiest role by far now lmao. There are no things like Necrotic or Bolstering or Sanguine that make a tank play better. You didn’t play when tanking was hard, don’t care how much you point at SL and DF as examples of you needing 1,000 keys to get portals.
I actually do like you as a poster and I was surprised your take was as insane as it was. I can’t imagine telling new tanks to only play with friends and not to infringe on others players time or practice in Delves which is why I said to you, “I know you know this isn’t all true”.
I never try to invalidate what you are saying because I like most of your posts. I just don’t agree with this sentiment.
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Ur right my opinion doesn’t matter, but it was clear based on the threads that SL S1 was significantly harder than BFA.
I listed it out for you. You are not more experience in tanking. Both in the number of keys or in the level of keys.
How so? I fully pug and push keys to a certain point before getting burnt out. If you actually looked you’d see that for the majority of the seasons stop playing after 2-3 months of the season.
Lmao.
If you look at my post history I was defending Necrotic. I didn’t mind bolstering and although Sanguine was annoying it didn’t bother me that much. You have no idea what you are talking about by continuing to make up things against me.
Literally isn’t. You initiated with me by making things personal with your first post.
Maybe to you, but your opinion doesn’t matter. Don’t know what happened to you Spirits, don’t remember you always being this hard-on for me.
Well, I agree with most of what you say but I take exception to what you are saying to new tanks.
Telling new tanks to play Delves or Follower dungeons or to only play with friends so they dont inconvenience other players is crazy to me which is why I said that you know that what you said isn’t true.
Even if tanking is by far the easiest role in this game, which it is since SL started, people still need to be comfortable playing the role in groups.
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The problem with your point of view here is that you are telling new tanks to play content that doesn’t prepare them for the content that they want to do. I see no problem with new tanks doing low level keys until they learn how to do it.
You are asking guys to go play Madden all summer and then try out for varsity in the fall. Insane.
But make no mistake, I don’t have a problem with you. If you were someone else I would have been way more brutal about it.
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This btw is where it all started. And yeah, reading my responses to you right now, I do apologize a bit for the aggressiveness.
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I get that you disagree and maybe we will have to leave it at that. My advice was aimed at completely fresh tanks with little to zero experience. Not those who have dabbled in it here and there. I truly think there is something to gain from them doing Follower dungeons to 1) Experience the trash at their own pace 2) Cycle through their tool kit. I completely understand that it doesn’t prepare them for the pug world in that they expect large pulls that are non-stop, but nothing will really prepare them for that except trial by fire. My point was more of the bare essentials of experiencing tanking at their own pace first. These also apply to Delves where they can push themselves to higher levels where you actually need to use defensives because they do hit quite hard if you go in tank spec.
Likewise, I don’t have any grudges against you. Like I said, I don’t really know where all this is coming from based on our past interactions.
I can also admit that I was very forward and apologize for my part as well. I didn’t really look you up until more recently and saw that you are an alt. I did state earlier though that if you want to argue about DPSing or Healing that I would concede that you do know more about that. I still hold onto that I have more experience tanking which was all we were really talking about here in this thread.
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Which is exactly my point.
You may feel that way and I feel the opposite is true. This is a useless debate and it is really not worth the time to end up never agreeing (for either of us). Cheers!
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That sucks man. I think the deserter debuff should be reduced to 10 min. 30 min seems harsh.
Also, there is follower dungeons you can do at your own pace.
Something you are mistaking here. Do we drive slower because there are new drivers on the road everyday ?
There is a driving pratice ground, aka dungeon follower, but, no, you don’t want to practice, you want to drive rightaway on the day 1. others have to adapt to you, otherwise they are the biggots and you are the victim.
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This an EXTREMELY flawed analogy. You are not taking into account that there are laws and rules to driving and that even new drivers are expected to be familiar with them so they know what to expect from others to avoid accident or injury. You are also comparing a literal life or death activity with a VIDEO GAME.
Also, your analogy is flawed because, yes, we do drive slower than we can literally all the time. That’s called “obeying the speed limit” and that’s why we don’t red-line our vehicles everywhere we go. Road laws are also typically a “lowest common denominator” thing; something that flies directly in the face of the point you’re trying to make.
To fix your analogy, should a new driver go sign up for the Daytona 500? Probably not, but there is nothing wrong with them going on the highway and doing the speed limit - even if you’re behind them, honking, wanting them to go faster. Likewise, should a new player or tank go straight into Mythic +5 or +10? Again, probably not. But a player getting the hang of things in normal and heroic dungeons is doing exactly what they’re supposed to do. If you rush them and give them a bad experience, don’t complain in Season 2 or 3 when there’s not as many tanks…or healers…or qualified DPS.
Be as toxic as you like in your Mythic+ groups, but keep the elitist nonsense out of random LFG groups is - I’m pretty sure - the main point of this thread. Just have a bit of patience and decency towards people who may not, like you, have played this game for 10 or 15 or 20 years. Or just make your own LFG group to blast through the levels if that’s what all want. Players do it all the time already.
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The thing is these dungeons arent fun and never will be. It’s impossible to have fun when you one shot everything.
The only purpose these dungeons serve is to get the most XP possible in the shortest amount of time.
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Do you have any arguments that aren’t either busted analogies, clearly and easily disprovable misinformation, or ad-hominem strawman attacks?
You’ve stated your opinion, been resoundingly shut down, and have yet to form an actual argument about why elitism is a good thing in normal and heroic dungeons. Please, have an actual argument for your positions and refrain from nonsense in the future.
I’m done responding to you on this thread as you clearly have nothing of value to offer this conversation from either side of the debate.
lmao, after responding to a 14 day ago post, you draw a conclusion and shutdown all the arguments. Nice try, bro, nice try.
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This isn’t even on topic. You are replying to:
This doesn’t mean:
He literally said that we don’t drive slower around new drivers. It had nothing to do with not obeying the speed limit or red lining everywhere. His point is true, no we don’t drive slower around new drivers.
You haven’t shut down anything lol. All you did was throw a temper tantrum and say “nuh uh”.
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Did you try pulling faster?
Cause you had 4 people ask you to pull faster and there’s only one of you voting to pull slower.
Follower dungeons are a much better place to learn your class and the dungeon. That’s sort of why they have them.
Don’t expect other people to cater to you, especially if it’s 4 to 1 asking you to do something, kinda honestly rude to the other 4 to think your vote counts more. Especially when you don’t even need a tank in leveling dungeons, the mobs don’t hit hard enough. It’s just a courtesy mandated by Blizzard that you’re there.
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