No it isn’t. They aren’t gender neutral they are dragons. It isn’t rainbow spells but the use af all the dragon aspects.
What am I doing engaging in this thread? It isn’t going anywhere good.
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Except it is a common criticism with the race, but people that point it out get shouted down. Just because you’re not seeing it doesn’t mean it isn’t a thing. Especially since the Blizzard moderation is surprisingly active once again and working double time to punish people that are even vaguely mentioning identity politics influencing the game design being a bad thing.
If you want an example, the backlash over their androgynous appearance is what prompted Blizzard to have to say “Oh we have a bulkier model, it just wasn’t done yet, don’t worry.” Which given Blizzard’s history, probably was more of a “Crap, we need to add to it or people are gonna be mad” rather than a genuine “We had it in the works, it just wasn’t ready for show.” Similar to how they were “no longer doing character customization option additions for the foreseeable future” to backtracking on that because people were very angered.
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They’re saying their draconic forms are gender neutral and they can select customizations options more gender neutral.
And ok? That doesn’t change the fact that they’re still rainbow-hued at times. Multiple things can be true at once.
You seem to act like this is going to have some impact outside of people looking at it and going “oh cool!” Or requesting Blizzard to have more customization options for characters.
They aren’t. They are true dragons. What true dragons can you tell their gender by looking.
Those colors also don’t form a rainbow. one of the aspects is black.
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“Identity politics influencing the game”
This is a non-criticism. We live in a world where politics cannot be separated from art. Androgyny shouldn’t be considered ‘political’ yet here we are, and it’s thanks to people like you.
And for the record. Androgyny doesn’t exclude being bulky. There are bulky women the same as bulky men. Being bulky just means you’re strong.
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i find it weird that people just make stuff up. they ain’t even out yet and have you actually played one no. bad as threads about anduin/wrathion to make blizz come out and say no gay lol. quit shoving this crap in everyone’s face on a dumb game forum.
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Well there’s the use of the “identity politics” dog whistle which is a red flag for me.
There’s also the fact that there has been coding in game for a very long time. I mean, the voice actor for male Blood Elves is literally an openly gay openly HIV+ man.
I also recall the by LGBT+ for everyone guild I’m in having several discussions on the feeling that Sire in CN and some of the other venthyr are also coded.
So imma squinting here.
I mean, it’s neat the dragon form is androgynous but I’m not sure if that’s actually coding. It’s a bit of a stretch to me.
I don’t know all the dragons look like big lizards to me. As a biologist I see a shocking lack of sexual dimorphism, and their gender identity is whatever they decide it is.
Ok? It’s still Red, Yellow, Green, and Blue. It registers as rainbow-colored to me, and it will to other people. Human visual processing is messy like that, especially since the colors are brief.
No, it is a criticism. People have been critical of it to varying degrees for years now. People play video games, watch movies, etc to be entertained, not lectured on politics. This is why Hollywood movies are not noticing the returns they were a decade ago back when entertainment was the foremost thing for why movies were made.
This is why things like All-Female Ghostbusters flopped or any movie that has a very clear political ideology being spouted tends to do very well among critics, but very poorly among audiences like Captain Marvel. Although that one also axed more than half of negative reviews about the movie because “muh troll brigading.”
No, they absolutely can, and used to be. This isn’t some law that these can’t be separated, it’s that people are more concerned with getting their opinions across through their work like it’s their service to the world rather than just doing their job.
No actually, because I am androgynous myself. I didn’t make it political, and I still don’t. It was the shrieking pride parades that decided to lump me in with them and be obtuse individuals that alienated other people that it did become an issue.
You’re blaming the fire for the arsonist.
Except by definition it does because the definition of it is someone who appears equally masculine and feminine. A bulky appearance, such as muscled is tended to be associated with masculinity. I could show you a picture of an androgynous person that you really couldn’t tell the gender of, and a picture of that same person who has been bodybuilding for 5 years but has a feminine face. You are going to say more than likely that it’s a man or view them as one.
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I’m not a biologists. If you gave someone a box full of lizards to someone who knew nothing, would they be able to sort them by gender?
Also black. the dragon aspects.
This whole thing is a massive stretch. I would say a lot of projection
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What’s the political messaging of Star Wars, Wolfenstein, Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k, and Warcraft 3 just to name a few. I’ll wait.
Ghostbusters had issues with being a crappy ‘design by committee’ movie and none of the actors having the chemistry together that made the original Ghostbusters not a flop. The actors being women had nothing to do with it flopping.
It’s easy to think politics can be separated from art when your existence is mostly non-political, or you’ve been made to think yours isn’t. But the political beliefs of an artist are going to shape the game they make. For example Disco Elysium is a terrific game and you can tell the political leanings of the creators from the game itself.
Our culture associates being bulky with being masculine, but that’s because we have big issues with reducing women to being petite objects of desire. And no, that might be true for you but not for me and not for other people. You think Androgyny is just ‘slim femboy’ and not a mix of typically gendered presentation. I’m bulky and strong, but I am either gendered female or androgynous because I don’t use makeup or bother dressing feminine typically.
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ROFL.
Sorry. I giggled like mad reading this. I love drag queens. Now I will NOT be able to see a Drachyr without hearing fingers snapping, necks rolling and some FIERCE trash talking when they fight.
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No, and that’s the point. The dragons are gender neutral in appearance, and their identity is down to how they feel about it. That’s literally the lore with dragons.
Eh, I don’t see your point.
None of the dragons in wow ever had human feminine features while showing their dragon forms.
I wouldn’t expect dracthyr to be any different.
The fact that I can choose to be female and express that in the visiage forms allows me to express my characters gender.
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That’s not true… allexstraza requires a male consort to produce eggs… she cannot do the other role
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Gender identity is separate from what gametes someone produces.
Or are infertile women no longer considered women? Are castrated men no longer men?
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What you choose to fancy has nothing to do with gender.
You are what you are born as, but it’s in you to choose how to lie your life.
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Your gender is separate from what gametes you produce. I literally have a degree in this field.
What you are thinking of is your reproductive role, not your identity.
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It is hard for some people to understand that “gender” and “sex” are not strict synonyms.
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And as a biologist, we use phenotypic analysis to determine what sex most creatures are in absence of gametes. So trans people are the sex they identify as.
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