I like when you type to someone and it’s explaining an issue and it shows them typing back lol you know they’re mad
“Good” is a nebulous term. Let’s be clear on our definitions here. I’m perfectly fine with WQ items being “good.” I’m not fine with WQ items being “BiS.” This isn’t some “casuals don’t deserve gear” side I’m coming from… I literally don’t care what you’re wearing. They could give you ilvl 1000 gear and I wouldn’t care. This is me saying: I’d like the content I do to provide gear progression for said content.
I think it’s silly that me doing a few WQ nets me not just “good” gear… but literally “BiS” gear. As in there is not a single thing that could drop from the raid (even max TF with socket) that would replace these items.
So I repeat… Why not just turn off the affixes inside the raid? Make them work in Nazjatar untouched in their current form. What does this result in? You actually will have gear that is STRONGER than mine… in the content you prefer to be in. And I’ll still get the feeling of gear progression in my preferred content. How is that not the definition of a Win/Win scenario?
Edit: Also… is 425 gear alone not considered “good” anymore? Add a socket and you’ve got better gear than a heroic raider. No one is complaining about benthic going up to 425… They’re complaining about 425 + socket + affixes being literally BiS inside the new raid.
I think it demotivates the raiding environment that gear is so sporadic these days and raid loot isn’t as in demand as it has pretty much always has been.
In BOD after I killed mythic Opulence I started reviewing the next few boss’ loot tables and, sans the azerite chest I never got, there was not a lot interesting to me. That’s never happened to me before and I tend to clear about 60-80% of the mythic content each tier.
And this is ignoring the whole fact that in a lot of people’s minds that the hardest (and largest group) content should just reward the best loot, but ignoring that it’s just not a lot of fun to know that the content you’re doing has a very small chance (pray for TF) of giving you upgrades because you’ve outpaced it so quickly.
Do people really think Blizzard would kill off raiding?
I may not be mythic raiding, but our all druid raiding is pretty awesome and I would probably not play WoW without raiding.
People have mentioned raiding gives the best loot, that isn’t true. You can get it else where.
raiding is a total minority. the amount of people that would leave because raiding didn’t exist anymore would be a tiny fraction compared to if they took things like WQ out. everyone quests. not everyone raids.
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Ehhh…you sure about that?
the entire game is based on mythic raiding which is about 1% of the population. if all of those people were to leave the game would be much better off. like 3s being removed would drastically improve random pvp as well.
I’m not sure I agree with raiding being “minority.” Mythic progression raiding? Sure… total minority. But norm/heroic raiding? No… I don’t think that’s a minority at all. And even when something is a minority, that doesn’t mean removing it would have zero impact on the game.
Who do you think buys all the AH mats, enchants, consumables? Multiple professions would instantly become useless overnight if those pushing content stopped playing.
Okay. But you said raiding. That’s all the difficulties. And players getting AOTC is sitting around 25-30% of the current population. And that’s not even touching Normal or even LFR. You take those things away you might be losing around half of the WoW population.
The game would likely collapse if you took out either aspect without a viable replacement.
It’s not rocket surgery to figure out that if you take out the big draw of end game content that people won’t stay subscribed to perform the same menial tasks every day in hopes of TFing it just like if you gut all the world content out and say raiding is the only thing to do at max level will cause peope to ubsub or at best become raid loggers.
i only see higher end raiders crying about lower end raiders. and people who do arena crying no one wants to do it anymore and it’s dying. and i wonder why that is. hm.
blizz tried raid or die in WoD and between gutting lfr because of raiders crying and the removal of flight they legit stopped announcing how many people are subbed it dropped so low and now do DAUs.
I completely agree.
Are you talking about LFR being the lower end raiders? And arena is dying because you have to PvE if you want to push rating in PvP. Which is pretty backwards. Also we’re missing a vendor.
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Weird. I don’t think I’m crying about any specific player. I thought my posts were quite clear concerning the Benthic items and my own characters progression. I think it’s stupid that I’m going to kill multiple bosses that have items on their loot tables that might as well not even exist. Because even if through RNG luck they roll literally perfect… They’re still not an upgrade.
Boots in EP are exactly as useful as Cloaks were in SoO.
no pvp vendors are also because of raiders crying. legit everything that is ruined in this game is because of the 1%. they don’t want to have to collect more than one set of gear. they don’t want to have to pvp to get raid gear.
That really has nothing to do with what I just said since I didn’t deny it. All you did was reinforce part of the point I made without disputing it.
So…gratz I guess.
Well, at least until the next raid tier drops, when the raid isn’t the Eternal palace, then your just stuck with 425 item level stuff with a socket.
Kinda like how you’d be if you tried to run a Mythic Dungeon right now. Or did anything else besides.
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Ok… now you’re just strawmanning and acting like Mythic raiders are the Bogeyman.
Sorry, but I think it’s stupid that Method and Limit just killed the hardest boss in the raid, while wearing multiple pieces of WQ loot as well as a trinket that’s literally handed to you in Mechagon with a Revered Rep Scrapcard.
And note, they’re not wearing those items because they’re just that good and are still waiting for upgrades… They’re wearing those items because there aren’t any upgrades for those slots… (aside from arguably the trinket).
Strawman. I specifically hedged my argument above and stated that this was about raidwise upgrades for this tier.
Please explain how removing the affix from working in EP would in anyway harm a casual player who has no desire of stepping foot into the raid? Please explain how players pushing the content lose something from having gear in these slots to actually look forward to?
Edit: The only argument I can see against at this point is… I’ve already sunk countless hours of grinding into this and would be annoyed for them to uproot the system after letting it run rampant for so long. IMO this debate is sunk for 8.2… I just hope they learn their lesson and don’t repeat it in 8.3.
I think it had more to do with them wanting players to never feel finished with their gear progression when it comes to the vendors. Also PvE players used to have their own vendor too. I’ve seen posts from people requesting for Valor points to come back.
As for the 1% not wanting to collect more than 1 set of gear I can tell you that that’s inaccurate. The 1% is going to do whatever is required to clear whatever content is in front of them and collect as many sets necessary to perform. Never doubt the inner hoarding demons that is within the 1%
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i would LOVE to have valor back. we’re discussed this before. i’d also love to collect an hour set from pvp that i could use only in pvp.