You might want to coordinate this cessation of hostilities effort with the rest of the “raiding community”. Last I checked, end game raiders were worse than pvpers when it came to being overtly hostile and condescending to anybody on the forums that they feel is undeserving of the accolades that they arbitrarily decided should belong only to the raiders. Some of my favorite quotes:
“You just don’t want to work for anything.”
“Stop being lazy”
“You’re entitled”
“You just want everything for free”
“Nobody wants to play with you”
“Git gud”
“L2P”
You can’t honestly expect a game to have existed for a majority of its life in one form and then be entirely reversed and expect people to just be fine with it. Imagine if tesla just decided overnight “You know what fam, we’re gonna switch to ICE cars and send out an over-air software update that disables our electric cars until you come in to have an engine added.”
Any time a company changes a fundamental stance it has taken, it should probably just die or start something new, instead of trying to change an existing thing. When they don’t and they try to morph, I generally get upset.
All for this, have stated as much numerous times now.
Raiders have always been the kings of wow and it should have stayed that way. We’re not rotten because we don’t want to play your garbage game to be competitive. You’re rotten for wanting gear… just because? It is basically meaningless to you. You don’t feel the actual power gain in the content you do unless you really suck at the game and you need that auto attack damage buff to give you better kill timers. You can auto-attack your way to victory in the content you like as-is. You’re just chasing higher ilvl… because. I’m chasing competition with someone else. I need gear to do that. You don’t need the gear. Your experience is the same with or without it. So step off.
That’s sort of what Tesla did- they rethought the way we’ve been doing energy and cars for decades. If they didn’t, there’d be no tesla. Thanks for proving my point.
I don’t ignore anything and the farce that you’re running about “lul all the top parsing players just faceroll and ignore mechanix” is completely, provably false.
The best parsing individuals ALSO manage to do all the mechanics that are absolutely necessary to succeed. If something can be ignored because it isn’t impactful, then it should be ignored, because that’s increasing success by decreasing time, which decreases likelikhood of mistakes during mechanics that actually matter.
And yes, that’s what it is to be competitive. I feel angry when I’m not top. Usually at myself when I know it’s because I sucked. But if I know it’s because of casino gear, or someone having a higher neck level because they were fine reducing themselves to pleb content levels, yeah, I get mad at that instead.
Tesla started FROM THE GROUND UP as an electric-only car company. They were never anything else. Wow started from the ground up as a “raiders are kings” company. Tesla is still an all electric company. Wow morphed. That’s my argument.
I never claimed the best people ignored mechanics.
I openly wondered if you were one of those DPS meter glued to your face people, because apparently the tragedy of losing a few points of dps and not being super awesome dps man #1 was somehow completely ruining your experience, because you don’t want to be bothered to step outside of a raid.
A for effort on the deflection and attacking of a strawman though.
This is why nobody cares that Blizz is ruining the experience for you- none of you are good people, you’re all pretty horrible people actually that can only get off on knowing others have less than yourself.
Does it matter that someone who isn’t you has good gear? No, it really doesn’t unless you’re a psychopath that can only enjoy something if others don’t. Yet, that’s the raid community- a bunch of people who are more concerned about ensuring others don’t have something than anything else.
If you truly enjoyed raiding, raiders would be able to raid regardless of the gear rewards- but they don’t, they never have. If raiding is falling apart because casuals can get gear, then it’s never been held together by a community that loves raiding to begin with.
Could it be that raiders always demanding that everyone acknowledge that they are the super lete of WOW is receiving backlash from the larger group that do not enjoy raiding as the only endgame or M+ as the only endgame?
If you didn’t mean mechanics by “ignore everything but the DPS meter” and instead meant “only derrive satisfaction from the DPS meter” then yes, I am indeed one of those individuals. If they removed or broke DPS meters tomorrow, I’d uninstall immediately and cancel my sub.
Pointless because we’re at an impasse where neither of us is going to change our opinions because we’re not mandated to and there’s no need? Yeah. I could have told you that from the start. If discussion without resolution (read: without you convincing someone to change their mind) isn’t fun for you, or makes you run from discussion… you should probably just avoid it at all turns in life.
Then why bother on the forums? If you despise everyone else and think you’re so much better because you raid- why do you even care about the opinions of those on the forums knowing that, much like in game, a vast majority aren’t serious raiders?
Why not scurry back to your elite community of backstabbers that wouldn’t give you the time of day if they didn’t think you could help them get gear?
We keep seeing whining about the ‘crusade against raiders’, but nobody cares- you’ve been on a crusade since Vanilla to ensure everyone else gets the worst treatment possible from Blizz. Maybe it’s time for raiders to smarten up and realize the crusade against casuals and nonraiders is getting you only resentment, and that when Blizz does take something from you, we’re going to treat you exactly how you’ve spent 15 years treating us.
You’re missing the entire point of what a DPS meter represents, but that’s no surprise. What you’re saying is “my enjoyment comes from someplace other than being good at the game.”
I wouldn’t know what that feels like. My enjoyment in life basically exclusively comes from me realizing I’m doing something well. Especially when compared to other people.
hi, CE/HOF raider here, someone GD would consider towards the top end of raiding (this is not meant as a brag, simply my POV on this topic). please do not loop the silent portion of the raid community who legit does not care what other people do with those who blow up forums complaining about this stuff. do we gripe internally about certain things? sure, who doesnt. Do we criticize those who dont take the game as seriously as us? no, we honestly dont. the vocal “raiding community” you see specifically on this forum, are a group unto their own. in my circle, we see gear as a means to an end, not the end itself, we only care about the first parse on a boss becuause that means we killed it finally. i ask that you refrain from just broadly generalizing, because much like other groups, there are myriad subgroups within who want nothing to do with each other. Also for the record were not d*cks, we help people with rotations, we write guides, make videos, and offer advice in discords and in game when asked for it because we are in a position to. blizz should not cater directly to us, we just ask they keep us in the back of their mind when something pertaining to end-game PVE can be adversely or severely impacted by a change to something seemingly unrelated.
