Not much for raiding, but this is dumbest line I see on forums.
If you don’t do any content, then yeah you don’t really deserve good gear, you got gifted gear to keep you playing. Think about it, they thought you’re so incapable of doing anything even remotely challenging, that they gifted you gear just to keep getting your sub money.
I’d feel insulted, but guess some people don’t even respect themselves.
I’d try and explain further why people choose not to raid but I think this statement says it all. I don’t want to spend time with people who are going to look down on me. It’s littered throughout the thread.
If you run a BG with me you can be bad at PvP and I will still support you. I will try to save you when you’re attacked, I will heal you when you’re damaged.
You’re half right. It’s about community and earning things that you’ve worked for. Pressing a button to que for LFR is not earning something.
Who are these ‘raiders’ and where is this crusade against them?
The only crusades I’ve seen have been players demanding the game cater to their wants and desires while denigrating any other form of play (and the players who engage in other forms of play), and demanding such forms be removed from the game.
And these crusaders have come from all aspects of the game.
Raiding is the mecha of an MMO not, rep grinds, world quests, pet/mount collecting or other monotonous garbage. I don’t think you should worry about it going away ever. Ion has said the azerite system was a mistake and not properly thought out. Raid tier will most likely return next expac.
I don’t raid either buddy, too many people around, fixed times when you “Have to” show up.
I just can’t stand “gimme gimme” people who want stuff without working for it, I’m fine wearing WQ gear and I would be fine if raiders had super cool gear, raiding requires dedication.
Where you dropped on your head a while ago or just “challenged”? You do know there is much more players that only do general world activities like world quests, pets, gathering professions etc.
I don’t like LFR raids, myself. Too watered down and bad rewards. But they do fill a good purpose in teaching people some of the mechanics or getting experience the raid without all the rejection of the other tiers.
They didn’t kill the community. The raider community killed the community.
2200 posts on a level 10 alt, I think I have a good idea what you want.
There is no problem to be a part of. If you want classic gameplay so bad, just wait for classic to come out.
Catch up gear has been around for ages
Here you go not paying attention again. Never once did I mention classic that was ALL YOU.
This is the first time that the “catch up gear” is miles ahead of normal tier and considerably better than heroic.
To say there is no problem is contradictory. You are telling people something you don’t like is a problem, when they reiterate with what they feel is an issue all the sudden there isn’t a problem because it benefits you instead of hurting you.
I don’t need you to take me seriously. I don’t need to convince you of anything. You don’t make any decisions. You’re just another subscriber like me.
Good luck convincing anyone with that weak stance.
I smell fear…
I’ve never run into someone complaining about “Easy epics” or “Catch up gear” being bad unless they wanted things to go back to classic.
Possibly an assumtion on my part, but if your refering to benthic gear, it’s an alternative gearing path, not catch up gear.
World quests seem to cap at 390 blue items which is significantly under the raiding tier.
No idea what your complaining about then.
So, why don’t you have all BIS benthic leveled up to 425 and equipped? As you said, you just loot it from the quest?
It seems you’re just a bit sore that others had a much better luck with RNG gods and got proper specs on the loot.
IYou were also the one who brought up catch up gear, I never used that term until you said it.
World quests do not cap at 390 blue. But okay.
The argument was people are wanting raids to be gone and have slowly done it by complaining enough where you can get past heroic raid iLvL for doing absolutely nothing but logging in once a week.
Then when raiders bring up how they is ridiculous the forums go up in arms insulting them about how “they are trying to make them play how they want them to play” when in reality the game needs some sort of progress and right now there isn’t any meaningful progress.
See my post where I geared an alt to be able to clear heroic EP with 0 effort.
There’s plenty of way to progress outside of world quests.
I’m sitting on 414 item level, and the highest world quest item I see that will drop (Outside of ones tied directly to dungeons) is 390.
Pretty safe to say that the world quests themselves don’t give out higher gear, and it’s blue gear.
If your specifically talking about Benthic gear, that’s a completely different system, sometimes you can get base benthic gear as tokens. But those start off at 385. Still way under raiding, until you put some effort into it.
I have no clue what you’re talking about. I have what I feel like getting in that raid gear that’s outside of the raid. I’m not going to go for more as I’m happy with where I am and refuse to do any more daily or world quests because that content is boring and played out.
It’s also why I haven’t touched my alts outside of m+10’s. I cannot be bothered to farm rep on them to be competitive with others of the same class because the rep gating in this expansion is abysmal.
Gate keeping is and should always be a thing. You want the best stuff, you work for it and GitGud. It’s the natural order of life.
Barring that natural order, if you think everyone should get everything, then fine, but make that actually possible, like any good competitive game.
You can’t have this idea that things can be competitive and everyone should be on equal footing while simultaneously making it damn near impossible for anyone to get the best stuff EVEN IF they’re truly the best players, because of rng^10 loot systems.
While it’s so heavily pure dumb luck who gets what, there will be complaints, but blizzard won’t change that, because they think everyone would up and leave their garbage game if people either get gated thanks to hitting their low skill wall OR if people get everything they want in the game.
So we’re left with casino model. Literally the worst possible, lowest effort, biggest trash pile, most exploitative designed, most unethical model for games I can think of.