I’ll keep that in mind for this upcoming election polls 
Lol. No not really. I was there for it. I literally watched my guild atrophy due to this expansion.
Like every expansion: it’s kind of fun in the beginning (unless you’re ICC geared and can’t replace gear until level 83-84… and the level cap is 85). While the novelty of Wrath is there and still hasn’t worn off for many, Cata will just be a reptation of disaster in the long run.
Surveys are clearly sent out to a demographic that Blizz wants. If Blizz wants a true survey they’d send it out to everyone (that ones that endured and were there for it). Blizzard surveys mean absolutely nothing because of that simple fact.
Everyone familiar with election polling knew it was flawed. Those who did the polls knew they were flawed, those paying for it knew they were flawed, and anyone educated and paying attention in the general public knew they were flawed. They attempted to get a representative sample of voters in the next election. But that was impossible. There was always significant numbers who claimed they would vote who did not. Either they got too busy on election day, or didn’t care enough to vote, or lied about it because they were embarrassed to admit they didn’t vote.
So companies came up with a series of questions to find a sample of “likely voters.” Questions like did you vote in the last presidential election and did you vote in the last non presidential election. How interested are you in this election and how important do you think this election is, more or less important than the previous election. Anyone with at least one year of statistical analysis during their first year of college learned that “likely voters” was just the polling companies best guess.
During times of relative stability that best guess of who is a “likely voter” was reasonably correct. But during times of political instability the nature of who will be a “likely voter” can change significantly and skew the results.
This is just one of the known flaws with election polling. Those educated in statistical analysis know this and know to take election polling with a grain of salt. We get election polling because the public wants it so someone will pay for it and polling companies will poll anything someone pays for even though they know there’s too many unknowns that have to be guessed at to make the polls accurate.
redditors and forum angry posters are the loud minority.
Cata was met with mostly awkward silence from the crowd. One of the announcers paused so people could cheer and there was none. It was awkward and sad. These are just the facts.
Cata just isn’t popular and never will be. If these weren’t the facts then we could have a different discussion.
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Put it up next to the vanilla, tbc and wrath classic announcements.
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I watched it and watched it again with people. We all saw the silence and awkward announcers from that silence. There is no need to link it. We saw how poorly received it was. It was bad.
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How do you know they’re lying?
Their lips are moving.
You should head down to your local community college and enroll in Statistics before posting here again.
Why do you andrews lie about reality?
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What I would like to understand is this, why would Blizzard want to bring back an expansion that literally went from 11 million subs with WotLK and it went down to 8-10 million subs with Cataclysm, it started the dipping trend, to go all the way down to 2-3 million subs with Legions. Shouldn’t that indicate that the Cata expansion sucked? I don’t know, but that is what it tells me, people didn’t like the direction WoW was going and they went elsewhere. If it was that good, then why did they lose so many subs? Maybe I missed something, idk.
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Cata went from 12 million to 10 million. WoW didn’t dip below 6 million subs until WoD
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Surveys for statistics does not say anything but depending how you ask the questions and what question you ask, you can direct people to give you the statistics you want. It is how governments and businesses conduct their surveys and get the results they want, and then say, “That’s what the majority want according to our survey.” That is common knowledge.
Here some examples of how they should have asked their survey questions:
Will you play Cataclysm Classic if Blizzard ever releases it? Yes or No
If no, will you play WotLK Classic if Blizzard keeps WotLK realms? Yes or No
I did not receive an invite to a survey, but from what I heard, the questions they asked weren’t exactly direct and some were vague on what they wanted to know, this is how you get the statistics you want and not get the real numbers, but the numbers you want.
Like some mentioned, Blizzard had all the intentions to release Cata Classic, no matter what, and again not cater to a big chunk of their customers. There are private servers with (1-2) millions of players, why not go get that revenue? 1 million X $13.99, that is close to $14 million per month on subs alone! I think that would be the smart thing to do.
That it is a significant dip! It had never dipped before Cata…oh BTW, it dipped down to 5.7 million with MOP…
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Corrected.
What does that have to do with anything? Go log into Wrath Classic. See all those people riding a Ragnaros mount? That’s why Cata Classic is a thing.
Blizz is literally reselling an already made game to people. It’s easy money.
You’re looking at the data horribly wrong. Yes, Cata lost 2 million subs…and held onto 5 times that amount
By the time Cataclysm had launched, WoW was already 6 years old. The people who started playing it in middle and high school were going off to college, or joining the military, or finding long-term careers, any number of reasons that would warrant not being able to play any game extensively anymore. It’s impossible to know what reason any one person would have for quitting, but it’s a fact that disliking the expansion was not the only reason. If expansion quality were the only reason people played or didn’t play the game, then why does Classic now barely have even a fraction of what the original release had back then?
Pandaria’s lowest sub count was a hair below 7 million
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2nbqau/wow_subscriber_numbers_by_expac_in_millions/
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That all depends where you get your numbers from.
There is a graph with a Reddit source, it has numbers from Vanilla to 2022, it claims that MOP has 5.7 millions subs in Q4 of 2014, but then who knows what is correct anymore, as Blizzard no longer gives their subs numbers out since after Cata when the subs started dipping.
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Blizz reported sub numbers all the way until 2015 during WoD. It’s not a mystery what the subs were.
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