Are people forgetting that Bwonsamdi gets to skip the Arbiter, too?
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Bwomsamdi and Odyn
Odyn does not really skip the Arbiter he interjects before the Kyrians can get there with his Valâkyr so those souls never get a chance to be judged. He is basically poaching souls.
Bwonsamdi is an interesting case for sure though, He seems to be sucking up troll souls directly into his pocket realm⌠knowing him it has to do with a deal he made long ago with either the Arbiter or the Primordials who built the Shadowlands, (who/what)ever they are. Perhaps the power inherent in that bargain allows him to pull souls from his followers into the Other Side even if the Arbiter had her power button pushedâŚ
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https://youtu.be/iGQ7oqhfDRs?t=61
While not directly below Oribos itâs still at a lower level in comparison(and thanks to Sire Denathrius drawing all Zonesâ Anima into itself which means all Anima below Oribos including Souls are going there) while the other Zones are at the same level as Oribos(and have Denathrius siphoning their Anima into the Maw and Revendreth).
If it wasnât for Sire Denathrius directing Maldraxxus, Bastion, Ardenweald and Revendrethâs Anima into an Anima whirlpool around the Maw the Souls may have simply just gone down with no consequence aside from coalescing aimlessly around the bottom of the Shadowlands possibly creating a more natural Death Realm in the process.
It seems to be something many Loa can do, since Muehâzala took Volâjinâs soul from Bwonsamdi with Rezan then taking from Muehâzala
Well⌠Muehâzala tried to pull an Odyn and poach the soul of Volâjin before it could be pulled into the other side⌠only for his poaching attempt to itself be subject to poaching.
âŚKinda hilarious when you consider it.
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No, it doesnât really skip the arbiter, you also encounter troll souls in areas other than the Other side.
I do not yet know exactly how it works but so far from what my impression is:
Bwonsamdi collects all troll souls in his necropolis, from there he sends them to the arbiter and from there they end up directly with him, as a âstandard judgementâ, if you are a troll your goal is always âThe other sideâ unless youâve done something bad, or your soul is really ultimately suitable for another dimension.
That would not explain why you find troll souls elsewhere. Thats a open issue right now.
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oh so your using headcanon ok cause in that video theres alot of portals so your gonna need more than you wanting it to go to the maw cause its cool or whatever
Really? Cause the Horde owes Bwonsamdi a millionty souls.
yeaaah, i know, thats the reason i say its a open isue right nowâŚthen i can´t explain it to myself.
Occamâs razor suggests that Bwonsamdi, like Odyn, skips the Arbiter.
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But as I said, it wouldnât explain the presence of trolls in other areas as the otherside, like Bastion, I donât know if there were any in Revendreht, but there were in bastion, maybe he is like odyn, faster then the kyrans, maybe yeahâŚbut this âto be fasterâ has then limits, otherwise all trolls would be in the other side.
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If Elune could backdoor Ysera past the Arbiter, she must have some serious power. That or she just didnât notice her since the Arbiter is dormant supposedly.
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Last I looked the portals that werenât Bastion, Revendreth, Maldraxxus, Ardenweald and the Maw were only seen from the top level of Oribos!
The Bastion, Revendreth, Maldraxxus and Ardenweald were on level with Oribos itself with the Maw being on a level of the Shadowlands below Oribos!
There is no Death Realm directly below Oribos according to videos! The Maw is the only Death Realm on a lower level than Oribos and the video shows it as not right under it unlike Denathriusâs Anima Streams leading to there causing the Anima Draught!
Itâs outright stated that Denathrius is behind the Anima Draught so those Anima Streams are his creation. If you take away the Anima Streams leading to the Maw then thereâs logically no place to go but straight down to the bottom of the Shadowlands!
They are literally all over the skybox
which is all your headcanon, these are not facts but a theory
This is good news. The dragons are one of my favorite things about Warcraft lore but theyâve been getting severely shafted the last few expansions. Ysera is also my favorite Aspect, so Iâll have a great time questing to revive her.
Though⌠Why are people assuming Elune bypassed the Arbiter here? Ysera is a powerful guardian of nature. Her soul being bound for Ardenweald is a given.
It seems more like Elune got Ysera some special treatment in that she is going to be reincarnated like a Wild God, but that isnât the same as Elune being able to straight up ignore the normal laws of the Shadowlands.
It mostly comes down to the fact they made a point to note that she got sent straight to them, which implies that normally souls donât go straight to Ardenweild even if you are a wild god / loa but need to be sorted like any other soul.
There are also a lot of aberrations to Ysera, such being able to manifest fragments of her endless nightmare, which apparently the Night fae have never seen a wildseed do before. I personally suspect Elune not only tossed her there to regenerate but also imbued extra power into Ysera as perhaps a messenger or some sort of proxy.
There are likely a lot of answers on the other side of the crash point in the quest, we just cannot access that right now.
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because ysera apeared and even the night fae have no clue about this
Fair. I guess weâll see how things turn out.
Cause the npcs literally say she did