The Arathi Tonal Disconnect

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Dreadmoore isn’t wrong though.

After the fall of the Roman Empire you had various groups all claiming they were the Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire and even Russia at some point claimed to be the ‘true roman empire’. There was also the Western Roman Empire but no-one cares about them.

Uther is the first Paladin of the Order of the Silver Hand. I don’t think it was stated that he was the first Paladin in the history of Paladins. That has not been a thing since Burning Crusade. Legion also brought in the Tyr’s Guard. An ancient order of paladins that protect Tyrs Tomb. Which were mostly forgotten by the time of the second war.

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Well he was stated to be first paladin ever before. What about Burning Crusade undid that? I mean even in Legion they denote it on a plaque.

Uther the Lightbringer
First paladin, father of the original Order of the Silver Hand, guiding light for all. May we honor his legacy in all that we do.

The Tyr’s Guard didn’t become paladins until after The Second War, per The Silver Hand lore book.

For thousands of years, Tyr’s Guard continued its sacred duty. New members came and went, and over time they adopted more techniques to help them protect Tyr’s tomb. In particular, the defenders felt an affinity toward paladins, holy warriors who arose to battle the orcish Horde in the Second War.

The members of Tyr’s Guard learned how to wield the Holy Light, and they became mighty paladins. Yet even this newfound power could not save the order from the undead Scourge.

When the Scourge swept over the human kingdom of Lordaeron, Tyr’s Guard crumbled. Only a few brave members, led by a paladin named Travard, remained to uphold their ancient vows.

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Apparently the Sacred Flame is not the Light but Holy Arcane Fire Magic.

The Arathi are a Sacred Flame-based Religion.

Their Knights of the Sacred Flame differ from Paladins in that they wield a different Magic.

Both Sacred Flame and Light draw from Faith yet are separate Magics.

Don’t know if Holy Order and Bastion’s Virtuous Arcane Death draw from Faith due to not knowing much about either.

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Well Draenei paladins would predate human paladins

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Draenei paladins?

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Oh yeah.

So just a question of those on Azeroth.

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Uther was the “first” paladin of the 7 kingdoms. Not the first “paladin” ever. That goes to the vindators of the dreanai.

Arathi got paladins because it is in their name. Arathi, Arathor, the first human king literally was an Arathi, that brough in the chieftien Lordian and took his faith, who worshiped Tyr. That was the religion of the light, which is what Tyr used mostly. They forgo their more tribal beliefs of shamanisitic and druidism (which gilneians and kul’tirans didn’t forgot) and worshiped the light. That kingdom sent an expidition out west which made a new kingdom, who also believed in magic and the lgiht.

Boom, they created a kingdom of priests, shamans and paladins. But they don’t call paladins…paladins, they call them lightlampers.

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Literally nothing states the sacred flame is anything but Holy light. I did all the side quest and lore, the sacred flame is literally just the light.

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I mean humans were wrong he was the first ever. But he was still the first of Azeroth until now, apparently. Kind of a weird choice is all.

Just the devs call them paladins. Since that’s what they are.

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I mean humans were wrong he was the first ever. But he was still the first of Azeroth until now, apparently. Kind of a weird choice is all.

Not even, The Zalandri were also wielding the light at the time as warriors. Paladins is a human 7 kingdom concept only. But they weren’t the original thought of light wielded warriors.

Just the devs call them paladins. Since that’s what they are.

No, the devs call them lamplighters because paladins are literally only a Human thing of the 7 kingdoms. That is why I wish the devs tried harder because lore wise, which this is the forums we are on, paladins are only humans or the church of the holy light…humanity.

Blood Elf “paladins” are called Blood Knights.

Tauran “paladins” are sunwalkers

Trolls are prelates.

Only dwarves and Humans are called paladins, dwarves because they joined the humans later on in their faith.

Dreanei are called Vindicators, not paladins.

Now the Arathi (since they don’t consider themselves humans or elves), they call themselves Lamplighters

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As warriors? I don’t think the lore actually breaks down the first Troll paladin.

Nope, they also call them paladins.

These things are paladins. The other term doesn’t make them not paladins.

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As warriors? I don’t think the lore actually breaks down the first Troll paladin.

Yes, as warriors of the Loa. I mean…come one, you do know what warrior means right? Paladins are warrior of light.

Nope, they also call them paladins.

No, they call them lamplighters.

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Except they denoted it isn’t as simple as that. Otherwise every Draenei Warrior is a Paladin.

Nope, they call them both, like I said.

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Except they denoted it isn’t as simple as that. Otherwise every Draenei Warrior is a Paladin.

…you do know the difference between warrior and warrior of the light…correct? Literally paladins, sunwalkers, blood knights, prelates…whatever are warriors that Wield the freaking light. Warriors of light. Come one dude, stop thinking way too deeply into it.

Everyone can be a warrior. A warrior of light gets a special title. Paladin, blood knight etc. Welcome to titles my guy.

Nope, they call them both, like I said.

Lamplighters are what they are called lore wise, hence this forum. Game wise? Yeah, every warrior of light is just going to be called paladin because that is the most generic term for a warrior of light. Cleric isn’t in this game so they won’t use that term like in DnD or Monk. Monk in DnD is a cleric with martial arts but monks in wow are more based off chinese mythology instead and chi.

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They’ve been away from the Empire for a while. And there is at least one very racist one still running around in the quests. It makes sense that their desperation humbled them somewhat. When we visit the Empire, though, I don’t expect a warm welcome.

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The lore is the lore, I’m not going to ignore stuff because it seems deep to you.

No, even in the lore sense because that’s what they are. Lamplighter is just the regional/racial term. In the same way a hussar is a term for a specific type of cavalry, but they’re still cavalry.

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The lore is the lore, I’m not going to ignore stuff because it seems deep to you.

Yeah, and in the lore, they took warriors, taught them how to wield the light or infuse them with the light and boom, warriors or light. Paladins my guy. Paladins are literally warriors of light. Turalyon was a freaking Priest first before they gave him a sword, taught him how to be a warrior and turned him into a warrior of light, or how the title is given, a Paladin of the Silver Hand. Even Arthas was a warrior first before he was anointed into the silver hand and given the light infusion to become a paladin.

No, even in the lore sense because that’s what they are. Lamplighter is just the regional/racial term. In the same way a hussar is a term for a specific type of cavalry, but they’re still cavalry.

Yes, because Paladin is the term that the 7 human kingdoms give to warriors of light. Trolls give the same warriors of light a different racial and cultural term called Prelates. Dreanai been wielding the light far longer than humans and they aren’t called paladins, they are called Vindicators.

This is a lore forum. This isn’t gameplay forums. Lore wise, the only PALADINS in wow are dwarves and humans. The rest have their own racial and cultural term for it. Blood elves are called blood knights (and back in BC they had their own animations away from human paladins), Tauran are called Sunwalkers because, cultrually, they are just sun druids. Trolls are worshipers of the loa of light. Not the light itself like the humans. Dreanai are with the light and Naaru.

The Arathi with the lamplighters are with their emperor and his visions.

Lore wise, they aren’t paladins because they were never given that title in wow.

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No, paladin is a lore term for all these groups. They’re also more specifically called Prelate, Vindicators, so on. But they’re still Paladins. Paladin is a lore term that applies to these. That’s why all the in-game people address your character as a paladin regardless of race.

Paladins are champions who call upon the Light to heal wounds and combat evil. The draenei employed such holy warriors for millennia before arriving on Azeroth to find like-minded souls among the Alliance. Recently blood elves, too, began wielding paladin abilities. Yet these elves, having little in common with their counterparts, must bend the Light to their will.*

Burning Crusade lore.

Just a moment ago a messenger was looking for you, . I believe she was sent by the paladin trainer, Sunwalker Helaku. If this note is from the Sunwalker, I recommend going to see him immediately.

Consecrated Note quest.

Master Mathias Shaw says: A troll paladin? Now I’ve seen it all. Protest all you want, but you appear to be outnumbered.

Champion of the Light fight.

Liadrin was the first to indulge in Mu’uru’s energies. She and those who followed in her footsteps forged a new order of elf paladins known as Blood Knights.

Chronicle 3 page 145.

Greetings, !
Chieftain Baine Bloodhoof was distressed to learn of Garrosh’s savage attack on the human prince. Our causes for grievance against the Alliance are many, but none are the responsibility of this little one.
The prince and I met at the Temple of the White Tiger. On my honor I have pledged that I will do what I can to keep him safe.
<Despite his words and the warmth the prince directs his way, the tauren paladin suffers distrustful glances from the royal bodyguards in the corner of the room.>

Sunwalker Dezco in Mists.

“Shall we begin, paladin?” Mashok asked.
“Yes,” Maraad said, and drew deeply from the Light.

The message was not for Mashok. It was for Mashok’s victims. The spirits. Maraad was apaladin, not a shaman, but perhaps the spirits would understand.

The Untamed Valley

The term is applied in the lore for these groups.

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No, paladin is a lore term for all these groups. They’re also more specifically called Prelate, Vindicators, so on. But they’re still Paladins. Paladin is a lore term that applies to these. That’s why all the in-game people address your character as a paladin regardless of race.

That is because Blizzard is lazy with the writing. They literally have stated that no, they aren’t all the same. They used to literally change the animations back in BC with blood knights and Paladins but they got lazy and just said “f it”. Hence why there is a lot of discourse of players wanting different animations between them since the class is just using human animation and lore term when they are not that.

Burning Crusade lore.

And current lore. The Blood Knights literally bend the knee during Legion as the the sunwalkers and each faction talks about how they use the light and how different they are compared to the paladins. Have you not done the class hall questline in Legion? Hell, the blood knights come and help in TWW.

Consecrated Note quest.

Okay? That literally doesn’t change anything.

Master Mathias Shaw says: A troll paladin? Now I’ve seen it all. Protest all you want, but you appear to be outnumbered.

The human seeing a Troll use the light and call him a paladin? You don’t say. Like Mathias knows anything about prelates or their culture.

Liadrin was the first to indulge in Mu’uru’s energies. She and those who followed in her footsteps forged a new order of elf paladins known as Blood Knights.

Yeah, because again, the Chronicles are using the basic terms. Blood Knights are not paladins. Tyr isn’t a paladin, even though he is a Titan Keeper who uses the light.

Sunwalker Dezco in Mists.

It is almopst like the Blizzard writers are using the same term because it is easier.

Mashok
No way, a dark shaman can’t tell the difference’? You don’t say. Paladin is the catch all term.

Again, learn between lore and game mechanics and written quests that just automatically pick the in game coding of paladin. It is like void walkers, in game, are called demons and coded as such so void walkers will be coded to say it in the game quest lines. But get this, void walkers are not demons in lore. They are creatures from the void.

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You can’t just ignore the lore by saying ‘they do it because it is easier’. Still lore.

That’s the lore. It isn’t just gameplay, this is all specifically lore text.