Im as romeaboo chud as it gets. But saying the roman empire didnt do morally dubious things is whack. The roman senate once debated on giving slaves an official uniform but then decided against it because they realized if the slaves knew just how many of them there were itd spark a revolt.
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Pray tell, where did I say that?
I could be remembering wrong but i feel like when TWW was first announced the original description of the Arathi said that they were down there for a few centuries but then they later changed it to the 15 years which i thought was weird.
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That is what I am not sure about.
The Hollowfall Arathi have only been there for 15 years. They remain loyal to the empire and are defined by their belief in it.
They donât appear to be too different from citizens back in the Empire. They still remember their life before leaving. Most of their friends and families are still alive.
If it were centuries or at least a few decades, I could see the distinction.
Also, the priory are deemed heretics by the other Arathi. I doubt the use of necromancy would be tolerated by the Empire at home. The more Zealous Arathi, ironically, are the most distinct.
Not to mention, most embraced the darker magic out of despair and fear. Tenets associated with those embracing the void. Id be willing to bet if we gave them more time, the priory would be utilizing void magic like the Scarlets do.
Faerin tells Anduin her kin at home would be less tolerant of our âcompanyâ. If you couple that with how the Light is now âuniformâ, you get a sense of xenophobia.
Also wanted to clarify. Iâm not saying I believe Empire = Xenophobia. There is a lot of cross-cultural exchange in historical empires. I meant I could see Blizzard making that parallel in the story, especially with the Lightbound and âsingle-minded Lightâ narrative.
That does sound right. Wasnt it later clarified that the Empire comes from a splinter faction instead of it just being the Hollowfall Arathi who got lost centuries ago.
Multiple bits of text say so, With faerin straight up point it out
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Well you could name one specifically.
Or when she actually says it.
A sense. Gotcha. I never really got that sense I guess.
The Empire isnât necessarily xenophobic; they might even rule over numerous races. However they might have converted such subjects by force, in which case they could take issue with how the Alliance and Horde have so many druids, shamans, loa-worshipers and other âheathensâ in their midst.
In which case they could even see the factionsâ existing Light-based faiths as heretical for allowing that to be the case and not forcing everyone to convert.
The Arathi in Hallowfall come from a small surviving portion of the expedition that left their homeland, and their circumstances since have forced them to be more open-minded about who they cooperate with in order to survive, not knowing if theyâd ever see or hear from their people back home again. Conversely, if the Empireâs been largely unchallenged in its domain for a long time, they may feel no need to accept the aid or even tolerate the continued existence of those they consider heretics and nonbelievers
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You know what Iâve been noticing from wow players since legion, the fact they are so willing to believe all light based factions is secretly evil or something. Honestly, it is getting tiring. Heavily faith based society doesnât automatically mean evil.
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In fairness, if the Empire turned out to be run by fanatics, itâd be an exception rather than the rule. The Church of the Holy Light (including its adjacent paladin organizations), the Aldor, the Genedar/Exodar and Shaâtari naaru, the Blood Knights, the Sunwalkers and even Xeâraâs own army have all been accepting or even indifferent of their allies not sharing their faith.
Even if the Empire ends up being cast in the Xeâra, post-WoD Yrel or even Scarlet Crusade mold, itâd still be aberrant rather than indicative of the norm for Light-aligned institutions.
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True but man, the community have always just gone straight to âTHEY ARE ZEALOTSâ anytime the Light shows up. LikeâŚoutside of the scarlet Crusade and Yrel going insane, when have the light ever made zealots.
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Iâm not a fan of all factions being morally grey. I think it takes away from class fantasy and the uniqueness of the magic domains.
Iâm still crossing my fingers the Arathi Empire does turn out to be like the Scarlet Crusade turned to 11 with the fanaticism. With how much they talk about âThe Emperorâ Iâm even hoping for some 40K Imperium of Man crazy in there.
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Iâm not an expert on 40k lore, but wouldnât that comparison mean the Arathi Emperor would be more like the Hollowfall Arathi? He would be surrounded by fanatics who deify him, but he himself does not desire such worship.
I donât want the Empire to be evil, but I think that would be a fun twist. It would also avoid the Wow trope of dethroning another despot.
I hope not, and even so, that just means the Emperor is a good guy while the people he rules over are crazy and misunderstand him completely.
No, I just hope for a Theocracy but chill kingdom. It would be a twist with how much modern media and modern culture just hates religion. So a religious kingdomâŚbeing gooodâŚwould be a twist.
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Yes, deconstruction is not as profound in writing as people make it out to be. I think the real trope is an inversion of morality.
I donât want the 40k route either, I just meant that would be a better option than all religious figures are evil.
Itâs kind of like what happened with the Earthenâs edicts during leveling. The issue wasnât the edict itself. It is how one understands said edict. Sadly, the campaign turned that on its head and had the earthen break all oaths.
Aye, or the giant robot coming out to wipe them out. Althrough, the giant robot could also just be old programming that the titans just forgot about.
But yeah, titan worship of order is okay. Worship of the light is okay, but it seems people just donât like that aspect. When everyone starts deconstructing their belief system, it is no longer special or surprising, it just becomes the trope.
That is why I like what Anduin learned towards the end of the campaign.
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Yeah, the âdisobedient childrenâ line felt very out of place.
I also find it hard to even categorize it as a punishment when they just broke Titan machinery.
Itâs just as likely that they activated a security system meant to protect them during an invasion or war.
Maybe it is me, but I felt Merrix learned that some aspects of his oath supersede others.
Similar to the 3 laws of robotics where they recognize conflict and understand some orders override other directives. Then he champions abandoning the edicts during the campaign.
I agree the Anduin âstay a while and listenâ was refreshing
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Iâm looking forward to it, itâll be nice to have an more grounded existential threat
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This group of them are up against the wall with all the attacks so they will take help wherever they can get, if i had to guess. I am sure if there main empire ever shows up they will trade us in for the empire with maybe suggesting we give up to the empire and they will put in a good word for us.
Is it ever explained how the Arathi got paladins? Or when?
Like is Uther even still the first paladin at this point?