The Arathi Tonal Disconnect

Dragonflight and now the War Within have had weird moments where the narrative clashes with itself. One great example this expansion is the Arathi.

The Arathi are devout, stoic, and dutiful yet supposedly dogmatic and xenophobic. Faerin explains that the Arathi’s alliance is only because they are desperate for aid. However, desperate doesn’t necessarily translate to friendly, warm, or open. One can still be wary of outsiders and begrudgingly tolerate them.

Yet, the Arathi in Hollowfall seem to genuinely like the company of outsiders. If I didn’t listen to Faerin’s dialogue or the one character you meet when entering, I would have no clue the Arathi Empire was “close-minded”. Religious and principled, yes. But, not dogmatic.

The biggest tonal disconnect is the Lamplighters. One would think for such a religious nation, a good source to understand their beliefs would be their Lamplighters. If the Lamplighters are meant to carry the light of the Sacred Flame, physically and metaphorically, then their beliefs probably better reflect the mainland Arathi’s faith. They serve as the bridge and constant reminder of the “old ways”.

Ironically, the lamplighters have been some of the most open-minded and compassionate people.

  • Faerin preaches hope to all Arathi and self-compassion and forgiveness to Anduin when his faith is shaken.

  • Kaerter mentions it is part of his faith to help all in need, regardless of who or what they are. The purpose of the questline (other than possibly being a pop-culture reference) was to contrast the rigidity of the Earthen’s Edicts (which are also narratively inconsistent). Peacekeeper Leif is so moved by Kaerter that he even desires to become a Lamplighter.

  • Aemyra says one of the things that drew her to her husband was his thoughtfulness and his vision to help others.

  • After confronting the mistakes of his past, Velhan holds that truth and courage will guide his path and people. The Lamplighters clearly value honesty, compassion, and self-sacrifice.

Even some of the “evil” Arathi highlight the importance of these values. The headstrong Sybaestan Braunpyke mentions that his brother Theleon was the more cautious, but wiser brother. Only after Theleon’s death does Sybaestan realize his brother was his moral rock. Theleon “centered” Sybaestan and his loss also means a lack of guidance. Without wisdom, humility, and temperance, Sybaestan falls prey to doubt, despair, and darker forces- eerily similar to the reasons some embrace the void.

I find it hard to reconcile that the Lamplighters and Arathi as a whole come from such a dogmatic empire. A nation of profound zealots wouldn’t have such introspective and compassionate people. Interactions with outsiders would be transactional and reserved, but not altruistic.

Honestly, I prefer this nuanced depiction of the Arathi rather than the Light Zealots and potential villains.

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The answer is just faerin, isn’t as dogmatic as the rest of the arathi

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One of their click quotes is an enthiusiastic “Outsiders are a welcome sight here!”
Which I also found a funny contrast to Faerin’s description of the empire.

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These guys are gonna join our Arathi when we go to their arathi and find out how evil they are.

they’ve been separated for so long that they’re probably fundamentally different than the empire they used to be intrinsically apart of.

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That is really funny. I wonder were the Hollowfall quests done at different stages of development? Or by multiple people? It just feels off.

I have a feeling that is what Blizzard is going for, but it doesn’t add up.

I think that would make sense if it was a much longer period. Given the architecture, it sure feels longer than 15 years though. I don’t think that 15 years is long enough for a huge cultural shift to take place. The same people are still in power and many still recall life in the empire.

Not to mention memories are very important to them culturally and personally.

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I mean, it’s still an empire, and an empire is an entity ruling over multiple kingdoms/cultures. Of course some people will be xenophilic, how do you run or even live in an empire if you can’t accept other cultures?

::he would gesture to star wars, rome, etc.::

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I’m sure they will try to explain it as the empire converts people via religion. But it is interesting to consider that the Arathi are already multicultural with human and elven influence.

Emperor Nero was a lover of Greek culture and very popular in the eastern provinces and Emperor Caracalla literally gave Roman citizenship to all free men in the empire. Educate yourself on irl lore too.

The Star Wars empire lasted for 24 years. Hm, I wonder if that had something to do with their blatant xenophobia against alien species. :man_facepalming:

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Roman Emperor Julius Caesar on the ancient British:
“They are the most ignorant people I’ve ever conquered.”

Marcus Tullius Cicero on the ancient British:
“They cannot be taught to read and are the ugliest and most stupid people I ever saw.”

I had to slightly tone down what was actually said for this PG forum.

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I found it strange that they say stuff like “a stranger is a welcome sight” and such. If they are supposedly such a closed off and distant empire, being built up as enigmatic.

There is something to be said about the people we meet, though. They could be a different sort of folk than the rest of the empire.

The Arathi we meet were likely among the most loyal, or the most faithful, or the most adventurous. To embark on such a journey, perhaps they are not so much representatives of that empire, but a group that may just be different.

Heck, it is possible this Emperor contrived to send the most friendly and good people away - which are the Arathi we meet. So that he and his more cruel forces could begin some new darker path, without their eventual protests.

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WoW players when they discover that civilizations are not a monolith. :rofl:

Fact is, the Roman Empire lasted for over 1,000 years and in every single year it served as a melting pot of a multitude of different cultures and ethnicities. Constantinople was literally the gateway between two continents.

If you people seriously think that the Arathi Empire will just be a generic pure evil Scarlet Crusade 2.0, well, you’re once again setting yourselves up for disappointment. Starting with the false equivalency between the Empire and the Scarlet Crusade because the Empire is an actual empire (aka entity ruling over multiple kingdoms/ethnicities), while the Scarlet Crusade was a religious sect based in only one kingdom.

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The fact is that there were multiple different empires claiming to be the roman empire, because multiple different people from multiple different places claimed to be emperor.

Educate yourself, dumby.

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Okay so you’re trolling, got it.

Not sure what I expected from a Horde partisan and this particular forum.

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It is hard because the leveling doesn’t give an indication that they are any different. They all seem to revere the empire. If anything they are more model citizens than outliers.

An outlier story like you mentioned could make for an interesting narrative. Maybe something with the cult and priory working together with the Emperor’s backing. But, I’d imagine a larger conspiracy would be a plot point they would have teased during leveling.

The only connection I can make is that Prioress Murrpray most likely learned necromancy from the Kobyss and they have ties to the void. But iirc we don’t really know her full motives. Those beneath her were driven by grief and loss, but I cant place Murrpray. Feels like she could have gone either way.

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Blizzard had a delicate balance to find to make the Arathi not feel like Scarlet-Crusade-Redux. You get that side of them in the Priory, but they wanted you also to interact with these people as people and not as faceless Light Zealots.

I would say they reflect the two dueling themes the Light has going on pretty well: Unifying Hope, and Dogmatic Zealotry.

Fun fact. They called themselves Romans, but no one else really did. In Europe they were called the Greeks. They did not even speak Latin, as they adopted Greek as their official language by the 7th century and pretty much everything ‘roman’ about them had long since been lost.

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:point_right::point_right:
You got it, homie.

Wow… it’s almost like the point is that any long-standing empire survives on xenophilia and acceptance of other cultures.

I’m still laughing at that guy who brought up the Star Wars empire as some sort of “gotcha” when it lasted 20 years. :rofl:

Great observation, I have to agree… even if they reassure me that they can’t be picky if they wanted to survive… but when it really hit me was when I got the quest on my Warlock and Shadow Priest to “Prove myself” worthy of trust…
I do hope they keep adding these flavor texts and side quest to our more Darker Classes and Undead!

Hmmm I wonder if I had the Darkfallen skin if I would have gotten that quest and flavor text from NPC… or another more monstrous race like Worgen or Drakthyr heck even Orcs, Trolls or Draenei specially with the Eredar skin… Can anyone confirm?

The only classes that get it is, Warlock, Demon hunter, Death knight and shadow priests, the only races that get it is undead, void elf and Man’ari draenei

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