If I got 30 minutes to play you’re saying I need to look for a group where where my class isn’t optimal, usually disc required, and they want a multi-game commitment?
This is the first time in like 15 years of playing this game where I can’t just log in to play a battleground or two. Most of the games I join, we get absolutely rolled by a coordinated, geared group with optimal composition and likely on discord.
Just be honest and say you want to stomp pugs in your premades and I’d respect the opinion more.
Honestly why would making a premade and catering them to be able to pug stomp be even a remote consideration, make PM vs PM, and solo queue luck of the draw, Pre-made group implies competition, that’s what they will get.
I’m not trying to. I am pointing out though that I’m having fun and enjoying the game as it is now. I am not complaining on the forums about other people having fun the way things are, and demanding that they change to suit me.
I’m also not attacking strangers for sharing their opinions that they are having fun.
You’re saying personally you’ve been lucky and havnt got many premades therefore they shouldn’t change anything.
I wonder if your opinion would change if that were not the case and you were only matched against premades. Because that is the experience of some who then simply give up on bgs altogether.
When discussing these things the goal should be what’s the best for the game as a whole not what’s best for your individual experience.
I thought I was very clear with what I was stating:
Yes, it’s quite possible that we are both outliers on completely different ends of the experience.
Well, I’m not the one resorting to ad hominem against strangers on the Internet when they have different opinions from me. I don’t know if that’s saying anything, but it is what it is.
I’m sorry but that is the only logical reason for defending premades.
Defending keeping them in the game when you apparently have no issue with them doesn’t make sense to me. Hence that’s not ad hominem, simply connecting the dots.
If you like playing as a pub and seem to always get pugs, well guess what 5 man groups won’t change that at all.
What does it change? It stops the games with 4 hunters 3 priests 3 boomies that just camp the graveyard for 20 minutes. How anyone can defend that gameplay is beyond me…
You have no problem with pugs being fodder for premades to rep/honor farm. You know there is no resolution on the pug side for this other than not queuing and/or just afking and losing fast to hopefully get a better match.
You know there is no resolution for excluding people who throw games, lose on purpose, give up, and/or berate their teammates for trying other than premades?
Do you know why people don’t want to play with people who exhibit such behavior?
Are you truly in good faith trying to claim that the win chance and general quality of the match of people pugging vs other pug teams is the same vs a premade team?
Yes and here’s what you seem to fail to get, in a pug the other team has the exact same issue as your pug team.
I absolutely play premades. I went 30:1 yesterday. Yes, I play premades. And I exclude people who throw from them. If you want to quit, even if we’re down 2:0 and we are losing badly, then you can leave and not come back.
I mean, if you want to get your bois and I’ll get my bois and we can queue into some wargames, let’s go. I don’t like easy games, but I prefer them to playing with people who throw games, quit, or give up.
I mean, at this point I would put money that I do queue more solos than you, not that it matters though, ad hominem isn’t a particularly compelling argument, but it is particularly telling when people start to use it.
No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m actually genuinely surprised that you have the gumption to use the term “good faith” considering how much you blatantly attempt to misrepresent what other people are saying, even while quoting them.
I would say though that the quality of a team, whether pug or premade is greatly reduced based on the number of quitters on that team.
You don’t have to look it up, just read it: It’s going against the person, not against the argument. You’re trying to attack my character, or my actions, or anything about me as a person, not what I’m saying.
You can do whatever you’d like. You can also look at my history of queuing solo, my documentation of it, and compare it to yours, on your own, as a self-reflection exercise.
