I’m not saying you personally don’t enjoy queuing solo.
Just that a lot of people obviously don’t because of premades.
And if you queue solo why do even care if premades were in some way separated?
You honestly believe you can have an unbiased opinion on the subject when you queue premades with a 30:1 ratio?
I’m calling you a griefer because that’s what you’re doing. Any other rated game, not even the best players in the world would go 30:1. But you fail to see the issue?
If you would rather disconnect yourself with the reality of what you’re doing and call it an ad hominem attack, then by all means do it… But I don’t know who you think you’re fooling…
i love the “i could totally 1v1 people from top guilds, they are really bad that’s why they premade” comments, the purest copium on the market
snutz? yeah i could take him, the only reason he plowed me 111 times is because of his premade!
I don’t believe I’ve ever made a claim that I have an unbiased opinion about anything. My opinion is always going to be biased from my own experiences and perspectives.
FWIW though, I solo queue more often than I premade.
This just in. Man with 96% win ratio in premades thinks there’s nothing wrong with premades. More at 7.
I’m guessing that 1 loss probably wasn’t to a pug? Hahaha
Funny enough, it actually was! The FC was already exalted, as you could tell by his tabard, and was a really, really good FC.
I think the interesting thing here though would be that if you actually looked at what you were saying:
And contrasted it to, “player who normally queues solo, and documents their experience with live video feeds, and historical internet archives queues into far more pug vs pug matches than pug vs premades, and is told to look up ad hominem by internet stranger using ad hominem.”
Well, I suppose that’s a bit too lengthy of a title to be catchy, isn’t it?
Ad hominem is a personal attack besides the point. That would be like me calling you a fat nerd or something that has nothing to do with the argument. Calling you a griefer because you defend 96% win ratio is not ad hominem. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
And sorry but now I’m also calling you a liar because I refuse to believe a team that can win 30 matches in a row against both pugs and premades then randomly loses to one pug. Thats just not believable unless your team simply stopped trying.
These kind of win/loss ratios should not be possible in any PvP game. If you don’t agree with that and see the issue that it presents, then there will never be any getting through to you.
So is the experience when you have solo queue and face a premade and almost certainly lose the same as when you solo queue and face another pug group?
In short is the game experience the same when you play pug vs pug compared to pug vs premade compared to premade vs premade?
I came here to say, you’re right! 5 man groups is an easy fix
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I mean, you can call me whatever and that’s fine. You can believe it or not too, and that’s fine. I probably wouldn’t believe it either, but it was a match where everyone had had assist, and a mage invited a second mage after a priest dropped, and we just so happened to get queued into a team that had an amazing flag carrier and it wasn’t everyone from the same server. It’s possible that it was 2-3 people from the same server that queued together times 2-3 teams.
My “team” was a tradechat premade team, not using discord, or any comms. And although people tended to stay in our group for several games, that was one of a handful of times where there was a bit of turn over.
If you are attacking the person and not the argument, then it is besides the point.
Agree to disagree? I’ve had much better win/loss ratios against real opponents in several 1v1 games, but you might not mean that.
It depends, generally. If my teammates all try, then generally my experiences are quite good either way. The only really negative experiences I have are when teammates troll or berate other teammates for playing to BG objectives.
More or less, yes. Oftentimes, if I don’t look at the scoreboard, I wouldn’t notice a difference or otherwise know with the notable exception as mentioned above if teammates are throwing.
Then I will say regardless of how often you fight premades your experience when you do it is very very far from normal.
Most people have a horrible experience when pugging vs a premade.
Ok you are not a griefer, you are just partaking in an activity that I personally perceive to be griefing. Is that better?
The problem is definitly highlighted by SOD class imbalances. The reliance on having 3 priests and the power of certain classes (boomy / hunter). I literally queued into a team last night that had 4 hunters all with the crossbow. You really think just trying harder and not giving up is going to overcome that?
30/1 ratio is a problem because at those odds you are beyond the “skill factor” there’s obviously another factor at play and that’s the elephant in the room.
It’s just so frustrating to me because the game is actually so fun right now when you get a pug vs pug or even a average premade vs a pug is great fun. But if you vs 10 fully decked bfd characters with the optimum comp and just get graveyard camped the game is just broken and frustrating. That’s the reality and that’s what needs fixing…
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This ^
Ppl talk constantly about “pugs not trying” etc. and no one really hits on why much.
It’s composition.
Premades frequently roll in with 3 priests, a runner (or 2), and top dps. Pugs are lucky to get one healer. ONE. Along with a smattering of various misfit dps. At that point the actual kills happening by the pug is miniscule or zero.
Haha, I mean don’t get me wrong, if you want to say that you don’t like that people premade and pug stomp, and you want to name call me because I said I ran premades and went 30:1, I think that’s OK.
The point about ad hominem is that that then becomes your argument or issue, rather than what we were talking about. In any case, let’s move past that and agree that fair matches would be the ideal, whatever that means (we can discuss details of what fair is).
My issue is that I detest having teammates who throw. Normally, I’m a pretty chill person and just have a good time, regardless, but for some reason it legitimately bothers me when someone calls to, “just let them win.”
And the only reason I am against separating queues is that it caters to people who are currently (in my opinion at least) abusing the system, queuing with zero intention of actually playing, but just trying to have their teammates carry them to a win without putting forth any effort, and then calling to “let them win” if it looks like there is any effort required to win.
If we could remove that behavior from the game, I’d personally be much happier about whatever systems were developed.
Then, there’s the second part which is that very soon we’ll have AB in addition to WSG, and I suspect that most people who want to run premades will be queuing AB then, so people who want to just queue and have fun can do WSG. If that’s not the case then, I suppose we’ll see.