The Amani Trolls are the most justified race in game

A place where the Alliance doesn’t matter and where they are forced to feel what the Horde went through in Legion. Total irrelevancy for the plot.

And a complete replacement for all current Horde leaders.

That would be a good start.

what did they went through in Legion? Besides getting a cool Warchief?

Legion was full of alliance characters giving quests to us. The Horde was mostly ignored.

No, no it wasn’t…

So Velen, Maiev, Tyrande, Malfurion, Alleria and Turalyon are just my imgaionation? In Val’sharah and on Argus?

Two zones is not ‘full of’.

I mean really man, you’re exaggerating a ton.

It was the most important parts of the expansion. It got fleshy cutscenes and all that. Got none of those in Highmountain. And Sylvanas disappeared after The Eyir mission failed. When was the last time an important Horde characters acted as guide for both sides? Spoilers it was Cataclysm.

You’re only 10th level… you’ve never played beyond the free version of the game, then.

I agree with the premise of the title.
Though I’ll be honest, the actual OP seems a bit like bait.
Nahh couldn’t be… Unless :eyes:

…I just want to point out, that both Suramar and Highmountian are Horde allied now. So all of that content was kinda Horde content therefore.

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This is just my US account. I have 4 characters on 70 on my german account.

No it wasn’t. During the Legion questing they were neutral.

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ALL the questing was neutral. :roll_eyes:

Not when the quest givers are alliance leaders.

Why didn’t the Amani join the Horde? They seem like the perfect fit.

They might have reconsidered it, if the Horde hadn’t extended an invitation to the Blood Elves.

The Amani originally joined the Horde during Warcraft 2, but after Orgrim Doomhammer redirected the Horde’s efforts to destroying Lordaeron and did not destroy the Elves as Zul’jin wanted them to, Zul’jin withdrew the Amani trolls from the Horde and kept fighting the Elves without them.

Only the Revantusk Tribe kept their affiliation with the Horde. The rest of the tribes followed Zul’jin’s example.

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Blood Elves joining the Horde aside, Zul’jin was pissed at Doomhammer because he didn’t keep his word regarding the destruction of the High Elves. Orgrim pulled out of Quel’thalas as that wasn’t his target during the Second War, the Capital City was. I doubt the New Horde, founded by the pupil of Doomhammer wielding his weapon and armor and ruling from the city of Orgrimmar would have gone over well with the Amani. The Darkspear also don’t get along with them very well, to the point they regularly mock the Amani’s choice of worship; bird spirits. That, and the Amani also razed a Darkspear village in Quel’thalas. Last but not least, Sylvanas still hated the forest trolls even as the Dark Lady.

Now, the New Horde doesn’t really have any reason to take the Amani in; the Blood Elves now are a more powerful ally than the Amani were even to the Old Horde during the Second War, and despite popular belief, it’s not just the Thalassians who have or had beef with the Amani.

Nearly three thousand years later, shortly after the fall of the Kingdom of Azeroth, Anduin Lothar - the last blood descendant of King Thoradin - led his people across the Great Sea to Lordaeron, where he went before King Terenas and warned of the coming of the Orcish Horde. Terenas immediately called a council of the neighboring kings which led to the formation of the Alliance of Lordaeron. With Lothar named Supreme Commander, Terenas sent a missive to King Anasterian Sunstrider - himself a veteran of the Troll Wars millennia before - informing him of Lothar’s lineage and the request for aid to the Alliance. At first, Anasterian reluctantly sent a token display of support in the form of a party led by Alleria Windrunner. The king himself was hesitant to fully involve Quel’Thalas in the war, and had hoped to remain impartial should the orcs not threaten his own kingdom.[3]

Not long afterward, when Orgrim Doomhammer led the Horde’s invasion of Quel’Thalas and began burning the edges of the Eversong Woods, it was discovered that the Horde was being aided by the elves’ mortal enemies, the Amani, led by the cunning Zul’jin. The orcish necromancers had succeeded in subverting some of the runestones, allowing their magic free reign and their forces to approach the capital, though the invaders could not pierce Ban’dinoriel even with their red dragon servants. Alleria brought the head of a freshly slain troll warrior to the Convocation of Silvermoon, throwing it at Anasterian’s feet. This provoked an intense rage within the King of Quel’Thalas, and he immediately called for the mobilization of his armies to battle the Horde. The elves provided many archers, rangers and destroyers to the conflict, and even craftsmen for the lumber mills of the Alliance. The effort was led by Sylvanas Windrunner, Ranger-General of Silvermoon. Making little progress, the orcs soon abandoned the battle in favor of besieging Lordaeron, and the Alliance forces pursued them. The Amani saw the orcs’ withdrawal as a betrayal and chose instead to fight a hopeless, vicious battle in Quel’Thalas, only to be beaten back after considerable bloodshed.[11] Zul’jin himself was captured by the elven ranger Halduron Brightwing and his platoon, though narrowly escaped and went into hiding.

Gigachad Revantusk & Darkspear Tribes > The Amani Tribe

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Which wasn’t actually a betrayal considering anyone with a sense of strategy might realize that the humans were the biggest threat during the war. Anasterian chickened out early telling Sylvanas the war with the Orcs was not their concern(See the Sylvanas novel) and their forces couldn’t make progress against the trolls until the Orcs left the forest. So off to Lordaeron they went. And they would have suceeded if Gul’dan didn’t pull his betrayal at that moment. Then they could have used their dragons to burn the city down and rouse the main force of the alliance.

Really? Quel’thalas is just a shadow of their former glory. Most people died and the greatest scion, Kael’thas is absent too. A handful of blood elf soldiers or the remaining Amani? There really isn’t any difference in quality here.

I would never take my chances with the two smallest tribes. Stakes are high that they get overrun with ease. Revantusk struggle with the few Wildhammer dwarfs and Echo Isles were roused by the force of Daelin. Say what you want about the Amani but they still hold Zul’Aman and the south of Hinterland.

Really? Quel’thalas is just a shadow of their former glory. Most people died and the greatets scion, Kael’thas is absent too. A handful of blood elf soldiers or the remaining Amani? There really isn’t any difference in quality here.

Shadow of their former glory? Quel’thalas is the strongest it has ever been. The Blood Knights, Farstriders, Magisters, all of these organizations are operating at maximum efficiency. The Sunfury, some anyway have returned home. The Amani have done nothing but lose, lose, and lose again. The Blood Elves have warlocks, blood knights, farstriders, mages, priests, mana bombs, the Sunwell, and more.

The Amani? What do they have? A few remaining trolls and loa who hate them after Zul’jin listened to Malacrass regarding enslaving their spirits?

I would never take my chances with the two smallest tribes. Stakes are high that they get overrun with ease. Revantusk struggle with the few Wildhammer dwarfs and Echo Isles were roused by the force of Daelin. Say what you want about the Amani but they still hold Zul’Aman and the south of Hinterland.

The Darkspear are one of the largest tribes currently because, unlike the rest of the tribes, they haven’t wasted time attempting to bring back the past and instead looked to the future by siding with the Orcs. The Revantusk have not struggled against the Wildhammer, IIRC that was basically a stalemate as neither the Revantusk or the Wildhammer have been pushed out of the Hinterlands, and Daelin was defeated. The Amani do not hold territory in the Hinterlands, in fact the dominant forest troll tribe in the Hinterlands would be the Revantusk who canonically control Jintha’alor after Cataclysm questing. The Darkspear and Revantusk would be as of now, the strongest forest troll and jungle troll tribes respectively by virtue of them not being idiots and siding with the Horde.

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90% of the people killed. The entire leadership extinguished. Losing the land until Kael and his Sunfury came in and crushed the undead. Yeah it is safe to say they used to be in a bad place. And no formal alliances because Garithos poisoned the well. And yes the Amani still have presence both in Eversong and the Ghostlands.

After Bob helped killing most of them together with the Horde. That was the best warriors mind you. Pathaleon, the blood council in tempest keep and many others.

Everything the Darkspear have just in bigger numbers. Also Forest trolls are buff and some are berserkers. There is a reason the promo art of Warcraft 2 was one of them fighting a elven ranger. Not to mention if Malacrass somehow escaped his dark magic can still bind the Loa essences in the finest warriors of the tribe. Just like the Drakkari minus the killing.

No. They are not. They are so few they barley populate their island and Sen’jin.

They are aligned with the vilebranch and the whitebark. Who occupy most settlements in there.

Which they can’t hold because they are too small to fully inhabit it. They are forced to stick to their village. The charge into Wildhammer territory was also a failure. Even the Dragonmaw faire better and they lost their dragons long ago.

Is that why the Horde won the fourth war? Oh wait a minute they didn’t.