Not to mention the C’thraxxi that was apparently buried there was driving some of the high elves insane
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Night elves didn’t sign the peace treaty so they are fair game to be attacked on sight.
Shame they updated Human customization and made that whole take non-canon.
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During the first war? No. The Orcs still had strongholds in Draenor and the purpose of the war was to pave the way for the Legion. As the Horde was secretly ran by Gul’dan. Doomhammer destroying Stormwind was to end the war asap.
The Second war is more complicated. The horde advanced northward due to Lothar fleeing and most likely would’ve brought down the might of the united human kingdoms upon them. Meanwhile Gul’dan used this as a means to find the right time to flee to the Tomb of Sargeras. It is clear even back in WC2 that Orgrim wasn’t fighting the Alliance for the Legion. As he sent Rend and Maim to hunt down Gul’dan and Cho’gall following their betrayal.
The Frostwolves settled in the Alterac Mountains (mainly Alterac Valley) and seemed to be have left alone until Stormpike and his group came into the Valley. I would count the Frostwolves as refugees though. They never drank the Blood of Mannoroth, always had their loyalty questioned and were exiled from the Horde soon after arriving in Azeroth as a result.
The double standards of Erevien.
“Trolls are in the right for attacking the ‘invading’ humans and High Elves first”
“Night Elves are in the wrong for attacking the ‘invading’ orcs first”
I mean both are similar. In the second case, the Orcs traveled to Kalimdor to find a new life and meaning. They returned to their shaman roots and culture. Had no prior knowledge of the Night Elves.
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Ehh, I would say that during the First and Second War the Orcs were not refugees at all. The Frostwolves are the exception because while they initially fought in the First War against the forces of Stormwind, they were exiled before the start of the Second War and were forced to go elsewhere. They could not return to Draenor (as Durotan knew that Draenor was dying and there was no future for his Clan there) so he had to settle somewhere in the Eastern Kingdoms. His clan, and his clan only could be considered refugees, although it’s still iffy as they were a part of the Horde and did invade with the rest of the Orcs.
iirc the Frostwolves were exiled at some point during the First War. Duraton, Draka and baby Go’el were on their way back to Alterac Valley when the former two were assassinated by Gul’dan Loyalists. They only came down south again because of Orgrim defeating Blackhand and “chaining” Gul’dan.
It’s why I said the second war is complicated.
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This just means that Erevien actually thinks the Amani trolls were in the wrong.
Because the Amani trolls attacked the humans and elves first.
His words are lie.
His argumentation proves that he actually thinks that the Amani trolls are wrong.
Also, all elves are essentially just another version of trolls. The Amani trolls have no more claim over land than the elves.
Good. Because that was never the take/humans were just suppose to be humans in general.
I support all trolls everywhere. I do not support colonialist elves whos only goal was to push natives out of their lands.
Says this while posting ON a decedent on said “colonialist” elves.
Blizzard has an ugly history and make the european and japanese coded people(humans, high elves and night elves) being imperalistic and get away with it. Titan robots have no business aexpanding outside of Ulduar but they spread around the world anyways and still occupy lands stolen from the trolls. This is just another layer of racism. And it needs to stop. Once Lordaeron and Quel’Thalas are under full Amani control again I will be happy.
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See that entire map? The Titanforged were all there long before the Trolls empires had risen up. Because no titanforged in any of those zones=those zones remained in Old God Hands.
Hell, Tyr’s journey to Ulduman predated troll empires. So, again all the titanforged were in lands long before the trolls ever set foot there.
The Trolls wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for the Titans.
Life as we know it on Azeroth wouldn’t exist if not for the titans. All the current races are native to Azeroth. No one race has a bigger claim over another
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The human supremacy on the forum tells a different story. People like Zerde are adamant that the titanforged have priority over everyone else. Ignoring that their expansion came at the expense of the trolls.
But what about the Aqiri. They lived in those lands before the colonialist trolls took it over. They didnt know any better, but when they did they didnt leave. Bring back the Black Empire. Make Azeroth Great Again™.
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Aqir are old god servants. You must be mad if you support them. Also elves invited the burning legion first. Literally everything bad comes from there.
And others are adamant that the trolls should have priority over everyone else. You can have a story where both sides think they’re in the right, even if they aren’t.
I just hope everyone drops the supremacy garbage so we can have actual dialogue about what happened
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I stopped fighting for the blood elves when I realized Kael’thas would not come back with us from Shadowlands. Since then I dropped them like hot meat and now instead try to dismantle their nation. Because Bob and his regime is illegitimate.
So, Erevien, what is your ideal World of Warcraft? What is Erevien’s vision for Azeroth?
I’m pretty sure the answer will include something along the lines of, “the complete and utter annihilation of the Alliance,” but don’t you think the end result of that would be a boring game?
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