Yeah, but like, those people are perpetually offended by everything
it has been shown repeatedly that the Amani cannot stand against the Horde on their own (we have raided their capital twice) and that the other trolls are explicity NOT SYMPATHETIC TO THEIR PLIGHT. (the Darkspear are ancient rivals through the Gurubashi empire and the Zandalari pay us to kill their champions).
They canât go to the Alliance to try and unseat the elves because the alliance is evil and racist against Trolls.
The only options for the Amani left are to take the L and stop attacking or go extinct
Being offended doesnât mean they are wrong. In this case it hits the nail.
Nobody takes people who are constantly offended by everything serious.
I think whether or not the Amani were in the right is irrelevant at this point. Theyâve been beat down time after time and the fact they arenât extinct already is kind of miraculous. It seems like if theyâre ever to have any notable presence again, itâd have to be as a decidedly less hostile faction, potentially as an allied race.
Like Iâve said before, I think the best route to this is just having some Amani acknowledge that giving up the old tribal grudges and working with the Horde has worked fantastically for the tribes willing to do so, and that they should suck it up and work with the zandalari to see if a tenable peace agreement can be reached so they donât have to live as a splintered people partially as refugees
Donât forget we already have Forest Trolls (Revantusk tribe) in the Horde to finally get them as playable race.
Yes, exactly. Iâve seen people make the argument that the Amani have such a grudge theyâd never join the Horde or stop their war to retake Quelâthalas, but the counterargument that theyâre just going to go extinct at this rate seems like itâd convince at least some of the Amani.
Yea but itâs the Amani, theyâve got that old school WC2 link going for them.
I mean, I could see reasonable ones finding out about why the 2nd war ended like it did and giving up their anger at the orcs, the belves (and forsaken) are the tricky part, but the hordeâs in good with the new Troll pope so if the writers want it to happen, it could happen really easily
Arenât the Revantusk technically an Amani clan like the Darkspear were technically Gurubashi
Look I just wanna see a new troll empire rise as part of the Horde and the more named troll tribes joining it the better.
I want the frostmane to join the horde and resettle in winterspring so I get it, I really do
Yet only the Horde raided Zul Aman in TBC (Canon stated by Chronicles). There was also a Blood Elf vendor who refused to sell his wares to trolls (Based).
Are we sure that itâs just the Alliance that hates Trolls?
I stated that in the post, the Horde has raided ZulâAman twice
and the biases of a single elf are irrelevant as Quelâthallas is officially allied with 3 (4 now as of bfa) Troll tribes.
no faction within the Alliance is allied with any
The Horde raided Zul Amani TWICE, while the Alliance did it only once.
So, the Amani should prefer the Horde over the Alliance⌠because?
I still donât get why the Amani are hyper fixated on Quelâthalas and elves when the vast majority of their former empire was taken by the humans of Lordaeron who are now the forsaken.
Like I donât think the elves advanced their territory at all after the troll wars, but humans took massive swathes of land.
For the same reason that the orcs ignore how the Forsaken locked them up before the Third War.
The Forsaken being the ârightful citizens of Lordaeronâ is brought up only when itâs to discredit the Allianceâs claims to these lands.
The Story never puts the Forsaken in a position where they are confronted by their âalliesâ for what they did in life, such as locking up the orcs.
All of the internment camps were in Lordaeron. 0 were in Stormwind or Kul Tiras. Yet does anyone ever bring that up?
So, the Amani should prefer the Horde over the Alliance⌠because?
The Alliance not only has the Trollbanes, but various other races and creeds the Amani forest trolls arenât usually typically fond of (more elves than the Horde, the Wildhammer Clan) and as Tenebrys just stated, there are no trolls allied with any faction in the Alliance.
Compare and contrast this with the fact that⌠the Amani are Horde already by association in the form of their subservience to the Zandalari Empire in spite of everything.
Gilneas, lordaeron, arathi all sit on former troll land. The arathi even have a family called TROLLBANE for crying out loud
And yet the Amani are obsessed with destroying the blood elves. Make it make sense
The Story never puts the Forsaken in a position where they are confronted by their âalliesâ for what they did in life, such as locking up the orcs.
The Forsaken have no direct ties to the Internment Camps sans them occupying Durnholde in Cataclysm long after Aedelas was slain. The Alliance? Their original overseer (Danath Trollbane) is still around and kicking, itâs original headquarters (New Stormwind) is still standing andâŚ
All of the internment camps were in Lordaeron. 0 were in Stormwind or Kul Tiras. Yet does anyone ever bring that up?
Not all of the internment camps were in Lordaeron. The Lordamere Internment Camp was based in the Alterac Mountains and Hammerfall was in the Arathi Highlands.
I agree, but I suppose with QT being sacred to them, and the elves also helping with the humans expansion, it makes sense. Especially with their Capital being right on the border of the ghostlands