The 33% Defense Nerf

No inspiration, no SS and no shield.

1 moment while I provide you with armor and laugh at you.

That math is flawed. You are assuming the 17k crit is with the player have 0 armor which is not the case. Because you then apply the 73% armor reduction.

I can tell you for sure that we absolutely didnā€™t have tanks taking 7k+ normal melee hits from patchwerk, nor does that number look like what geared tanks take on Naxxramas videos. Simply put, the number you posted is not from a realistic mitigation setup that a tank would wear on Patchwerk. Trying to masquerade it as anything otherwise is disingenuous.

To put it simply, the bosses dont crit for that much. At least on a warrior under normal circumstances (obviously insta gib mechanics are gonna insta gib, but a standard melee attack wonā€™t crit that high).

Iā€™m not. I was never asked what my defense was until I was level 70, so unless you can dig up some forum posts or YouTube videos from '06 that talks about how important it is to reach defense cap I stand by lived experience.

Defense cap is not a necessity. It is a tool among many other tools to give certain raid comps a crutch during the learning phase.

Good guilds with experienced players with equally experienced and good tanks and healers will communicate periods or situations where there are large volumes of tank damage.

A scenario where a defense cap would help would be as evidenced above, Magmadar, Golemagg, Broodlord, and other hard hitters.

How do you suppose tanks do on Ragnaros without a defense cap or large volumes of fire resist? What are the positives and drawbacks to gearing either way?

There are certain benchmarks when you are raiding to aspire to.

Iā€™d much rather have a hit-capped tank Horde-side than a defense-capped one. Allowing my DPS to stretch their legs would benefit the healers spending additional mana between shield block and cooldowns because bosses would die faster.

It really comes down to your raid comp and the people playing, but Iā€™ve always personally found a hard 440 and hit-capping together being extremely difficult in earlier progression. I found a balance of 4-5 with a defense cap and immediately sacrificed the cap when I acquired the better tier pieces.

Druid tanks donā€™t operate around defense either. Their toolkit is entirely dependant on their armor and health value.

What people forget are debuffs. Having 1 Warrior spec into improved demoralizing shout and keeping it up instead of taking Unbridled Wrath will pay massive dividends.

Cstrike/Baron touched on this in one his videos. You can see large percentages of difference when it isnā€™t up versus when it is. Thunder Clap helps as well.

Patchwerk also is not hitting you for 12k. Iā€™ve tanked him over 100 times over the last 3 or so years and Iā€™ve yet to see that.

cmon blizz even if you donā€™t fix any other itemization, I donā€™t see how you get an authentic MC/BWL experience without reverting defense nerfs.

Not trying to be difficult, but you tanked a boss thatā€™s inspired by patchwerk.

Hereā€™s a log of a Naxx clear:

legacyplayers. com/Raids/Viewer/Default.aspx?id=28873&exp=0&upl=45169

Things to note:

Average tank hit: ~2.4k (not 7k+)
Crits: 3 of them, 3.7k average

Note: not def capped because he got crit. Simply put, if you donā€™t need def cap on the hardest hitting boss in Vanilla, you donā€™t need it for every normal boss. Also note that this matches existing (real) vanilla documentation of patchwerkā€™s hits, unlike your ā€œdataā€.

Also, I canā€™t see your buffs. If your tank in Naxx isnā€™t at least showing up with stoneshield potions & other mitigation consumes, you should drop them like a rock.

Anddddd checkmate.

i.imgur .com/amiqrHl.png

Now provide YOUR proof that Patchwerk cannot crit and hits for 2k.

Jesus, all this private server ā€œnumbersā€ is laughable.

Vanilla screen shots or get off.

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http://guildwarsmovies.com/movieview.php?id=29420
if you want to watch a tank pov from 2006 and compare.

http://i.imgur.com/akynMrn.png

Which one should I believe? Whatā€™s with you and posting cropped images by the way? Is it possible thereā€™s something misleading going on with your private server repack?
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Patchwerk_(original)
ā€œPatchwerkā€™s Hateful Strikes can never critā€

You seem to be confused kiddo. You seem to believe that Patchwerk has no other attack but Hateful Strike.

Again, Patchwerk CAN crit. No one mentioned Hateful Strike until you did.

Another win for Nekrage.

Itā€™s been a good debate, sorry about the loss you accrued.

His physical attacks are never going to hit 12k. Sorry :slight_smile:

Is this original vanilla screen shots youā€™re posting?

Oh come on. Just look at his stat line man. He messed up in his original image up there and thatā€™s why he deleted it, and made a new one. Anything look suspicious?
http://i.imgur.com/akynMrn.png

Honestly just the fact that you and Williams look alike at times.

You can tell us apart because Iā€™m usually carrying a flamethrower.

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Lol thems fightin words. They agree so rarely Iā€™m pretty sure one could say the sky was blue and the other would reflexively say its red

You mean the fact that the character is a GM on a server?

As you can see in the image provided, these are T3 stats including the armor rating we have been discussing.

i.imgur .com/amiqrHl.png

AGAIN.

Where is your proof that Patchwerk cannot crit? Ohh wait, you provided that and it was about Hateful Strikes which you believed to be the only attack Patchwerk used(lol).

You solo tank Patchwerk huh?

My proof that he cannot crit? I never said that. I said he can never crit upwards of 12k. Which was the basis of the argument in the first place.

The highest damaging hit heā€™ll ever do is a hateful strike, which can not crit, understand? :slight_smile:

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This right here is the bulk of it. Hateful Strike is his most damaging attack, and itā€™s not going to crit. It literally canā€™t. Itā€™s why Druid tanks are fine tanking him.