Sylvanas has just been playing LFR and bugged out of the instance with 10 stacks of determination. Rather than submitting a bug report, she’s roflstomping the Blizzard universe, even cracking open the sky.
Best we can hope for is Blizzard to roll her back before things get really silly.
Let here have fun in around 2 years method will wipe that smirk from her face then have her and nathan on farm.
you guys have been saying sylvanas will be a raid boss for years now, it never happens. maybe time to accept it’s not gonna?
Using thanos and the infinity gauntlet, they made 20 movies to build up to the final 2. Blizzard hasnt been spent the last 8 years building up just for this moment.
I have actually and for the record, the term Mary Sue has been around since the 70s
TVtropes was founded in 2004 and clearly states that it does not have notability standards for the works it covers. The content is by fans with a YMMV page for items that are deemed to be subjective
Stated at the top of the article on Villain Sues
There are subjectives, and then there are these. While you may believe a work fits here, and you might be right, people tend to have rather vocal, differing opinions about this subject.
TVtropes further states
Much of our wiki relies on the “Examples” section, where we pull our many articles together.
Interesting to note with regards to their page on Villain Sues
No examples, please. This only defines the term.
So what is it officially based on? What other character references would make examples?
It would appear that for those registered on Tvtropes, it may not be so clear either
As for notable folks in the industry, the original interpretation for Mary Sue is becoming somewhat distorted; let alone for any other version of it
A popular subject of debate pertains to whether the Star Wars sequel trilogy features a Mary Sue in its protagonist, Rey. Screenwriter Max Landis opined on Twitter in 2015 that the character fits this description,[25] claiming that Rey is excessively gifted at a variety of skills.[26] Conversely, Caroline Framke of Vox contended that Rey did not fit the Mary Sue profile, stating that “Any additional skills Rey has—mechanical work, hand-to-hand combat, climbing, etc—are explained when we first meet her… If she hadn’t picked up those skills, she’d probably be dead”.[27] Other writers, such as Tasha Robinson of The Verge , have defended the idea of Rey being a Mary Sue, stating that “for women who’ve felt underrepresented through decades where most of the ladies onscreen were victims, tokens, rewards, or shrews, it’s natural to feel a sugar rush of fulfillment over characters like Katniss Everdeen and Imperator Furiosa”.[28] Erik Kain in Forbes defines Mary Sue and argues that Rey’s abilities do not make her one, given the details of her allegedly established backstory.[29] Landis later admitted he regretted the tweet, but stood by his original sentiment saying, “I regret framing it that way. I didn’t understand that the term ‘Mary Sue’ had been co-opted.”[30]
That is, entirely your opinion. I disagree and don’t think she is
Simply put, you just don’t like her and will frame here in any way that’s in line with that dislike and resort to name-calling otherwise
Mary Sue as Protagonist You Don’t Like (Will quote the paragraph here from TVtropes)
An alarmingly widespread use of the term, and one reason a lot of people feel that the term has lost whatever useful meaning it once had. There are a lot of reasons why this usage is so common. Most obviously, as rants about and mockery of the Mary Sue phenomenon became increasingly well-known in fandom, it became increasingly easy to throw the term around as Flame bait. The fact that so many of the other definitions are highly subjective doesn’t help.
People who accuse characters of being Mary Sues rarely admit that this is the definition they’re using. The best way to tell is if their justifications for the character’s Sue-hood are all based on shoehorning, Alternate Character Interpretation, misrepresenting the sources, and Accentuate the Negative
What is a Mary Sue?
In 1976, Menagerie’ s editors referred to the original story, writing:
Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three [Kirk, Spock, and McCoy], if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship.[6]
No matter which way you want to spin this, the facts with Sylvanas are
She isn’t young by any measure
Has been part of the game and it’s history for a long time
Worked her way up in an elite fighting unit and later went on to lead it
Been in multiple wars, highly combat active for years in life and after
Died defending Quel’Thalas
Turned into a Banshee, enslaved and tortured by Arthas
Has known both success and failure
Has done both good and evil things
Has people that like and dislike her (no matter the end)
She made a deal with Death, an entity to which even N’zoth does not compare
I’m sorry. Have video game lore discussions been forbidden on video game forums?
Well no duh freaking captain obivous. How long did it take you research that I don’t like her? After the start of BFA she became worse and evil. Committied genocide, killed Saurfang, killed anyone who dared to speak against her, waged war, blighted her own city and made the Forsaken homeless, and raised more dead zombies for herself.
Are you really that in love with Slyvanas, that you think it’s an opinion not an fact? If it’s not a fact, why would Blizzard even bother making a Horde against her? Face it. Slyvanas Windrunner is a little evil mary sue, whether you like it or not. And since apparently it breaks you so for me to say it, I am gonna say it again. Mary Sue. Mary Sue.
If she wasn’t one, Slyvanas would aleast be dead or wouldn’t have loyalists. Shame the block button doesn’t exist, because neither you or Fire literally have anything worth reading anymore. If you wanna make another page long rant go ahead, because I am ignoring this thread now, since your head is so far up Slyvana’s butt, you can’t even fathom she’s evil.
You can keep saying it, but it won’t stop being false.
I wish my waifu was at the helm of a billionaire dollar company :3
I will.
She’s evil and a Mary Sue. 
No need, it’s pretty clear that all you have to resort with is name calling
keep going, am enjoying the salt
I hope she is smirking when we kill her.
Bolvar doesn’t know about my plot armor, hehe
Cool man. Still wrong 
What’s this “when” stuff? We won’t be killing her. I’m pretty sure her smirk is dedicated to those who can’t stand her and I love it 
If she comes out of Shadowlands alive, then the entire writing team needs to be fired. They have been setting her up as the villain the entire expansion and now we see she is working with basically death and sending everyone to hell.
There is no way she makes it out of Shadowlands alive.
1 the alliance and horde traitors will not get their wish to kill sylvanas she wont be killed off. 2 we do not have all the info about what is happening next expansion weather sylvanas and the jailer are evil or not. 3 this the forums does not represent the whole of wow players and most horde players would be angry if sylvanas does get killed off and blizzard wouldn’t do that because they would lose money and we know they like money. 4 I bet 90% of the sylvanas haters have never liked sylvanas to begin with and have always hated her.
I’ll scold you for insulting SheRa like that but they already did with that awful Netflix show.
I would have preferred to have seen Bolvar get the upper hand and Sylvanas suddenly go limp. Then we could see the dark energies come out of her and overpower Bolvar before she gets back up and takes the crown. Just make it clear that something powerful is backing her but not revealing what.
Meh, I just see it for what it is, cinematic affect.
The sole issue for me is off-screen story telling but I’m kind of sure it’ll be explained in the expansion so I’m fine with waiting to see that story be told.
That smirk is why out of all of the characters in the Warcraft universe, she is the one being I would not want to anger. She knows she’s good. Perhaps too good if recent events are and indication. I’m curious to see how that part pans out.