Once again, it’s not about dps but about the expectation of getting carried and the resistance to that expectation by people who think everyone should carry their weight.
Even if every boss is being downed every single time, people as a general rule don’t like to share rewards with people who are being carried.
No. It’s you. Plenty of raiding guilds don’t turn WoW into a job and do just fine.
Dude, we ran a casual raiding guild in TBC. Casual.
Saying that you need to be able to sustain 150 dps (or w/e) on Ragnaros is not asking you to do a job, but just asking you to play your class and not go afk.
This is just a way to stroke your own ego. If they helped kill the boss, they weren’t carried.
Do you think hunters are getting carried? Their DPS gets as low as hybrids.
What do you consider a factor of being carried?
Once again, it’s not about dps numbers It’s about the perception of the rest of the guild that they are carrying someone who is not trying or just goofing around.
Even if the guild leader doesn’t want to care, he has to deal with the 30+ other raiders who do care and so therefore the GL has to care and deal with the conflicts that are going to arise from it.
I have dealt with this first-hand so I know what I am talking about. The reason that our guild is creating a dps threshold for our raiding is precisely to nip this problem before it starts.
Remember folks: Unless you spec perfectly for your class (all 51 talent points), you wil never ever get a raid slot. Or if you do, you will bring the rest of the raid down and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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This isn’t actually a problem in guilds that are comprised of decent human beings that aren’t going to get bent out of shape over Timmy the Retribution Paladin getting a bit of game data instead of them.
It’s like you’re an alien from another world and have no conception of basic human nature.
Decent human beings would be the people who don’t expect 39 others to do their work for them.
“Work.”
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Well, I guess you’ll need to stack only warrior dps, because by comparison everyone else will look like they’re being carried by the warriors. Because in 1.12 if you aren’t a warrior, you aren’t the best dps you could be kappa.
I remember in TBC the huge social guild that had no requirements for membership. Despite being huge, they never did any 25-man raiding. They just constantly did Kara and ZA later on.
In Classic, these guild will be constantly doing MC, Ony and the two 20-mans when they are released. That’s perfectly fine!
But there are perfectly decent human beings who also want to progress in the more difficult raid content. They will form what we call “raiding” guilds that set expectations of performance for their members. Which is also fine.
People who want to play balance druid, ret pally, etc may have trouble getting into these guilds. That’s all I’m saying.
ok, sounds like a raiding guild is not something for you. There will still be plenty of 500-member social guilds to join.
Gearing efficiency is part of the equation too, buddy.
For example, nearly every guild ends up with 2-3 dagger rogues… not because daggers are better than swords, but because it’s more efficient to take the small dps hit having a rogue take and use the daggers, and reduce the competition for the 1hs between the rest of the rogues and the warriors.
Hybrid dps don’t help with gearing in any fashion, and in fact are actively hurting a guild’s loot distribution by soaking drops better utilized elsewhere, while also performing below par even at their optimized performance values.
Don’t make perfect the enemy of good.
Because every raiding guild must be exactly like yours, right?
Spoilers: they’re not.
You are correct. We are a pretty laid-back & casual raiding guild. There are definitely a lot of hardcore raiding guilds as well.
Please tell me what nerfs MC and BWL received?
The 1.12 patch.
However, non-raiding guilds will not kill much of anything in BWL.