Frost Shock causes threat in TBC, I would do the bare minimum of research If I were you before spouting off nonesense.
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I don’t need to research a non issue. It only semi worked in classic because of bad mechanics, fury prot worked ffs. Sorry but if you think you’re tanking in TBC as enhance you’re dreaming.
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It doesn’t matter when threat is the least of the worries for a Shaman that can’t even hit 5man geared Warrior stats by the end of the expansion using Brutal Gladiator gear and BiS tanking items from Sunwell.
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How about an all Shaman group?
5mans maybe once everyone is highly geared, but not until. AoE would be fun for sure with all the Chain Lightning spam, and I suppose the DPS can spot heal as needed, but eh… quite weak.
You can’t parry without taking a talent that reduces your threat by 30%.
I would highly suggest you take your own advice.
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Found on the youtube video description
Filmed on Excalibur WoW server
Your question/point is moot.
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Your spec looks good, but I would recommend taking the points out of your improved totems and putting them into the flurry talent.
Also, don’t listen to what these people are saying about Shaman tanks not being viable. You will not be optimal by a long shot, but you will certainly be viable in heroics as a main tank, or offtanking trash mobs in raids as long as your group/raid is at least moderately geared.
I have quite a bit of experience tanking on my shaman in classic right now. It is difficult to maintain threat on multiple targets at once, but as far as single target tanking, I have no issues with threat or being kept alive.
None of this is accurate.
Shaman are so weak and squishy they can’t even be considered viable because they will simply eat dirt. We’re not quibbling about optimum when we critique them, we’re talking about the fact that a Shaman doing everything in their power to be less squishy can’t even achieve what a Warrior can hit in 5-man gear who is still focused on being DEF capped.
Doing what exactly? You have zero logs to demonstrate this and all your Naxx experience is as Restoration, same with AQ40.
You have a few clears of BWL where you had gray parses as Enhancement, but you weren’t Tanking anything, you were just doing poor DPS. In Phase 6.
Also, nothing in Classic is relevant to Shaman in TBC. The gulf between Shaman and every other Tank only widens substantially. They can’t keep up at all in terms of EH, they have barely any Avoidance, they must do PvP to remain uncrittable if they don’t want to just gem Defense in every socket, and their threat is abysmal compared to Druids/Warriors/Paladins.
OTing duties aren’t easier in TBC, those mobs hit just as hard as the bosses themselves, who also hit substantially harder than bossed do currently. Expect bosses to feel more like Emperor Vek’nilash than Onyxia in terms of incoming damage, with a few being substantially worse like Morogrim Tidewalker, Prince Malchezar, and others.
Gone are the days of bosses meleeing us 5-6 times before we fall over as everyone is expected to be crit immune at all times and two of the three Tanks can be crush immune as well.
Shaman aren’t just unable to compete, they can’t even begin to try until they massively outgear 5-man Heroics.
Threat generated by spells like Frost Shock are not affected by that talent. Just FYI. You should read the talent before…well, before you suggest others take their own advice.
Oh, I see! So, any theory-crafting for Shaman tanks prior to TBC Classic release needs to be done on actual TBC Classic servers before someone starts experimenting with a Shaman Tank?
Sorry, I looked as hard as I could for people doing class experimentation with TBC Classic servers and soon discovered that none existed. Soon I realized this was because the game hadn’t been released yet.
Funny how that works, right?
Yeah… and most of your threat is being generate by white hits, which is like having a permanent blessing of salv on.
You will NEVER hold threat against a warlock or hunter trying to go full DPS (Which nearly every fight REQUIRES). So not only are you built out of paper mache compared to prot paladin, wars and bears, you can’t even hold threat properly. Oh, wait you have a cooldown to bring to you barely functional levels every couple minutes. Woo boy.
Why are you so convinced they can tank in TBC?
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True, but the person you replied to wasn’t talking about white hits, was he?
Yes, all of your autos are and you can’t hold single target threat with just Frost Shock and autos while wearing primarily STR based Resilience gear so you can have the Stamina of an undergeared 5-man Warrior and avoid Critical Strikes.
You can’t do valid experimenting unless you have valid test conditions. P-servers are anything but valid. You show me a video of a Shaman not going splat in Karazhan and all you’ve shown me is a p-server that monkey’d with the Shaman and NPC statistics enough to make that happen, not a valid proof of concept.
“Ackshully he was only talking about a PART of our overall shoddy threat kit so you’re WRONG”
Yeah, see this is why no one enjoys these kinds of stupid threads. It always plays out like this where the folks wanting to try something new can’t just accept they’re doing something well below the acceptable margins for viable play and begin with that expectation. You goobers always have to oversell your idea as if someone could just work really really really HARD and they too can be treated the same as a standard Tank.
Your threat is going to come from Lightning Shield, autos, Frost Shock, weapon imbue procs, and Stormstrike. Until we can do more testing on Spirit Weapons, since so much of the emphasis is on p-server values, we can’t say for sure whether or not Spirit Weapons only nerfs the threat of your autos ONLY, or autos and Stormstrike and imbues, or everything.
What we do know is that even without knowing how much of your kit is nerfed by Spirit Weapons, we know that the majority of your threat comes from your autos, which are definitely nerfed, and your only other tools are passive or CD based.
What we also know is that your threat is irrelevant, because you’re too squishy to Tank at all.
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Oh look. Alt posting.
No the point is Private server therory crafting has no validaty and is in fact breaking TOS. . Before you start your “if it where not for private servers we would not have classic” speech. Don’t care.
As some have pointed out the threat generating stats in the shaman tree have been removed for TBC.
Have a good day. And please, don’t post pserver stuff as proof of anything.
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Blizzard doesn’t have a ToS.
I haven’t been convinced either way. Hence why, in the original post, I said, “I wanted to try out a Shaman Tank.”
I didn’t say, “Want to play a Shaman Tank.” I said “try.” The implication is that I’m experimenting with how a class can function in role not regularly associated with how the class functions.
I want to break a taboo for the sake of being able to say, “I did something people said I couldn’t do because people said I couldn’t do it.”
Not everyone plays the game according to a finite set of standards imposed by a general population. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have people who do a 40-Man MC run with only Paladins or only Mages.
It’s playing the game outside the narrow box everyone else does for the sake of coming on these forums and saying, “Hey, look what happens if you go against the grain.”
Alright, End User License Agreement.
Feel better?
https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/fba4d00f-c7e4-4883-b8b9-1b4500a402ea/blizzard-end-user-license-agreement
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Of course, I always feel better when people learn from their mistakes.
Well done, sir!
Such a witty guy.
Listen kid. Go ahead and try to tank as a shaman. That is cool you want to. But don’t look surprised when you get pushback after you show a PS video as proof it can be done.
And as far as the TOS EULA thing. Ya, you knew.
Have a good day.
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