Oh, so pulling threat has now be redefined as “hold threat” just for the convenience of your opinion?
How convenient for you! I hope you wrote yourself a “Thank You” card.
Oh, so pulling threat has now be redefined as “hold threat” just for the convenience of your opinion?
How convenient for you! I hope you wrote yourself a “Thank You” card.
The DPS aren’t pulling threat here, he both can’t generate threat to tank trash packs, and is RELYING on them threating/kiting mobs for him to survive.
Roger that, I’ll let my tank know the next time I pull aggro that I’m not actually pulling off him. I’ll say, “I’m helping you by holding threat.”
I’m sure that will go over very well.
Thank you so much for your sage advice!
The russian guy who “tanks” as a shaman generally does about as much tanking in these videos as I do on my ele shaman when I get a string of lightning bolt crits and pull off of the tank. I probably survive better, too, since my shield and spellpower means my offheals actually let me facetank multiple mobs long enough for the tank to taunt.
Since you appear to be either slow on the uptake, or intentionally disingenuous I’ll explain it for you. You can only “Pull threat” from a tank if they had threat, or intended to have threat. Given their job here is to kite so they can run 4 DPS. This shaman is about as much of a “tank” as that hunter, mages, or priest.
You didn’t post a shaman tanking video, you posted a 4 DPS Heroic Shattered Halls video.
You know you can go beyond level 12 with your Shaman, right?
Only thing you can do when you make a fool of yourself is whine about somebody posting on their bank toon. Never change, WoW forums, haha.
I don’t even think there’s anything wrong with this, btw, especially given how hard it is to find tanks for stuff on a lot of servers. If you’re a group with two hunters and a mage who can kite, root and trap everything into the ground, that’s great; flip the tanks the bird and do your thing.
No one in that party is going to be tanking Magtheridon though.
No, it quite clearly says “Shattered Halls Warden (Shaman Tank)” in the title and features a Shaman tanking the dungeon using Frost shock and a variety of other abilities.
Sorry that you’re confused, though. I know the internet can be difficult to navigate for some folks. Hopefully you get the hang of it someday, though.
Of course it’s your bank toon. I mean that’s totally obvious, right? It’s not like you don’t have your alleged Elemental Shaman and just refuse to post on it. It’s completely real!
You’ve been posting in this condescending, sarcastic tone in this thread for like 3 months now. I can only imagine how grating you are to be around in-person.
Because all this:
Is totally not sarcastic or condescending, right?
Yeah, you are right, I was confused that the video title makes that claim, but the content of the video shows half of the trash being kited around by mages that the shaman never bothered even try to establish threat on. Tanks usually try to establish threat on all mobs, weird this guy didn’t… its almost like he knew he couldn’t tank the trash… so they used two frost mages to kite it.
The video title said (Shaman Tank) but was oddly void of a tank within it. Pointing to a dog turd on your lawn and calling it a Snickers doesn’t make it a Snickers.
So props to this guy for trying what he wants, but honestly that just convinced me more this really doesn’t work. You need a specific group comp and friends to do this with, and even then there’s some large issues.
This is a normal SH, and the group is a mage/ hunter / lock(? 2nd mage) that are basically able to cleave the packs down. The sham does take a few hits, but really doesn’t hold aggro at all on packs, which is where you’d think sham would excel. It’s more on the mage and hunter kiting. I would agree other tanks do this too (warr/ maybe bear) but those both have the ability to taunt on a low cd, which sham doesn’t have.
The first boss the shaman cannot hold at all, and the mage tanks it.
Both of these are ok enough in a normal dungeon but definitely wouldn’t fly in a heroic, where one hit from a boss (or certain trash) in a heroic is going to kill the clothies. Granted, if they play exceptional well with ice blocks and traps, the sham might be able to hold long enough for the dps to burn it down, but you could just as easily replace the shaman with a mage or lock for the same effect, and potentially more dps.
If you have a dedicated group of friends and want to try this in normal, do you. I do still think you’d have a better group at that point just replacing the shaman with a mage/lock and doing the same run faster. If you wanna run heroics, you’re gonna have a much tougher time, but it maybe can be done if ppl bounce/drop aggro correctly, and the group is geared enough to burn stuff very quickly. But if I ever joined a pug where someone said the shaman is the tank, I’d def drop that group in a heartbeat.
It’s fine that you’re in a state of confusion. Don’t let it bother you too much, we all make mistakes.
Seems you’re still a bit confused but, hey, at least you admit you were confused. Admitting you have a problem is the first step, as they say.
Your analogy is brilliant, by the way. Hopefully you can contact your Snickers provider about that problem you’ve been having. I’ll be rooting for ya!
I’m still waiting for the shaman tanking Magtheridon video.
I’m still waiting for you to answer my question.
I’m still waiting for the shaman tanking Magtheridon video.
I’m still waiting for you to post on this amazing Ele Shaman you keep talking about.
but the content of the video shows half of the trash being kited around by mages that the shaman never bothered even try to establish threat on.
So when this happens in every other Shattered halls that doesn’t have a Paladin tank we just deem those tanks not actual tanks, amiright?
You picked up on that too, right?
It’s like when a Warrior does this it’s “tanking” but when a Shaman does it’s “bad tanking.”
He made an analogy about being objective while he simultaneously redefines aspects of the game to ensure coincide with his original presupposition.
So “pulling threat” is now “holding threat.”
Any tank who relies on other members of their party for CC is just a bad tank.
Don’t dumb this down to the point of absurdity. There is an astronomical difference between making use of a Polymorph on a 4-mob pull to make it a 3-mob pull, and someone else literally kiting a boss for you while you helplessly do nothing.
Don’t worry dude a shaman’s gonna kite-tank Illidan any day now.
It’s like when a Warrior does this it’s “tanking” but when a Shaman does it’s “bad tanking.”
When a Warrior has to rely on Kiting to survive, he’s not Tanking anymore, he’s Kiting. The reason why we still call a Warrior a Tank is because, if properly geared/played, can trivially Tank the content. A Shaman has no such luxury, so it isn’t “bad Tanking”, it is just flatly NOT Tanking.