If you’re very fixated on the wording, then sure. I agree with you.
Awesome, but that doesn’t mean Mangos core was developed for the reason you described. Though, point noted.
You proved my point by them moving to a country where copyright laws don’t abide by US copyright laws. This is inherently a problem for Blizzard’s IPs.
I’m not interested in attacking you and I can tell our conversation has now soured. I wish you the very best.
I disagree entirely. Most of the retial players that tried classic hated the missing QOL that is now part of the game. The idea that they are going to come over on some massive wave to play a game they have to put in far more work into to raid is not a real thing
The people that want a challenge likewise are not going to come over becuase there is no challenge to be had compared to end game Retial. I would think there would be far more people wanted pull the items we get to sell them or, again, transmog them in live.
complete and total myth that retail raiding is harder than classic. otherwise Asmongold and others wouldn’t have quit because they can pug retail raids and can’t AQ and Naxx.
We don’t have any data on how many retail players tried Classic and quit that is total conjecture on your part.
Did you miss the part where people were Pugging MC BWL AQ40 and NAXX? Perhaps what you mean to say is that they are EASIER to pug on live cause theres a tool that literally will set up groups for you to pug.
I have not seen people pugging very high keys or Mythic yet. Considering that mythics CN can only be pugged on your server atm.
it is throwing it away… i hate this argument.
its like… imagine…
you have a house! and you put alot of time and effort making this house your own by buying things you earned and filling your house with it. then you realize that you want to move to a new house…
but wait!! some guy said you have to leave all your belongs in your old house and are forced to start fresh in your new house!!
sure… you can “go back” to your old house and see your stuff but…
see why i hate your argument?
People aren’t pugging AQ40 and Naxx. A few servers are running GDKPS but that is not a pug. I haven’t played much retail since mythics were introduced but my understanding is that high keys are only participated in by a small percentage of the player base, only hard because of the timer, and have an incredibly toxic atmosphere. Seems to me like copying characters to play Classic would be more appealing to most retail players than participating in that mess.
pugging AQ40 is extremely possible
just because like 10-15 of the people in there might be from the same guild doesnt make it not a pug.
lots of people sell their houses with all their stuff included and start fresh in a new house. that’s my business I deal with them all the time.
A GDKP is not a pug. If you have 15 people from the same guild who have it on farm it’s not a pug.
You haven’t actually lost anything though.
yes… it is a PUG…
the 15 people could not clear AQ40 by themselves.
so they recruit 25 PICK UP PLAYERS (turning it into a group) to clear the raid.
this is the DEFINITION of a PUG…
i’m sorry if you have never cleared AQ40 in a pug before?
Nope. A pug is when someone (like Asmongold) advertises in chat LFM AQ40. 15 people from a guild grabbing 35 people from other guilds that raid is not a pug. I play on one of the highest pop servers and have yet to see anyone advertising pugs for AQ40 and Naxx like is common with ZG/MC/BWL.
oh jesus you people are beyond help
thank god its only the same 10 smooth brains on the forums promoting stupid ideas about TBC
based on polls you are the 1% and blizzard wont listen to any of you.
I think a “PUG” or “Pick Up Group” is a group of random strangers getting together to achieve a common goal.
This is a problem for anyone that publishes anything that is accessible in a global market without universal copyright laws or countries willing to enforce those laws.
Nothing about your suggestion does a single thing to resolve that. It actually harms it because shareholders would want to know why the company is wasting money chasing pirates in jurisdictions where they have no authority.
You can’t hide your ignorance behind civility. You have an opportunity to actually learn something here regardless of how you feel about the way it was presented.
You can call GDKP not a pug but unless they make up the majority of the raid, they still need those people to perform. That are you are calling Classic content even easier than i was saying that 15 people can carry another 25.
That being said people on servers are still running pugs For AQ and Naxx.
I wasn’t trying to solve the complex issues surrounding copyright laws or IP ownership laws. I never said anything of the sort. But what you’re describing, under the interests of a shareholding is completely flawed and just wrong.
Your argument is actually backwards. If you produced a product and copyrighted it, you become the only entity with the rights to that product. This increases the shareholder price, because there are no other competitors offering the same or similar product yet.
If another company makes the same product for cheaper, it hurts the parent companies financial valuation of that product, which also hurts the stock price and the investments that followed would suffer. It is in the best interest of the parent company, who holds the legal copyright, to go after anyone offering a similar product illegally.
Obviously, nothing can be done if the host country doesn’t honor the parent companies’ copyright.
Picking fights or calling others out for their ignorance, on a forum, isn’t exactly a good look for you. Perhaps you should software engineer some manners on how to talk to other human beings. Everyone is ignorant in something, including you. Instead of breaking people down, try building them up.
Beaupeep you missed his point entirely , Boneshield i dont think they will go all fresh tbc for a couple of reasons but mainly progression, what would be the point of classic and all the gear if we cant bring into tbc?That alone would be a huge slap in the face.i do however see progression servers and a few fresh start tbc servers if they even go with the expac,iam still not 100% convinced tbc is on the way till blizzard announces it.For all we know it just might remain classic.
If anything, they will offer fresh classic realms that will eventually progress into TBC. I honestly don’t see Blizzard rolling TBC on the current classic realms. What about those people who don’t want TBC? Blizzard will protect those players.
This post alone quite clearly states you have no idea how retaining membership works and clearly delineates you are posting from a very skewed and biased perspective.
Blizzard will not charge dollars to transfer to a TBC server…they will lose subs, because it’s a slap in the face to every player.
Gold issues will not be rectified by a fresh TBC experience, they will merely be delayed. There is alot more gold farming potential in TBC, to run on automated/scripted computers, with cheap hacked liscences…that can run 24/7…feeding gold into the market…run by a single person.
Most of the community wants TBC. Blizzard has to launch TBC to retain subs…or they will lose many players. As a result they will do it in a manner that involves the least headache, the least amount of labor, that will allow them to retain the most subs.
You, trying to use circular logic, to increase the potential player base of pure Classic WoW, by creating fallacy arguments won’t change anything.
We will get TBC.
Players will retain their characters moving forward into TBC.
Blizzard will create Classic servers only for players that wish them.
What we don’t know is whether they will employ copies for any of these eventualities, or if they will offer fresh servers later for Classic or TBC if the demand is there.
Blizzard is a business…they understand market inertia and the need to move forward from time to time.
Most of the player base needs to move forward or they will grow bored and quit. That is readily apparent by people raid logging and taking breaks from the game until new content is released…which shows itself in guild attrition numbers.
MMORPG’s are like sharks…you move or you die. You can take your time and move slow…but it you stop your done.