Blizzard never really wanted to touch Classic or entertain the idea of it. Classic is just an “AFK” moneymaker for them. It would make sense to do the same thing with TBC. But from a business perspective, Classic was launched for a number of reasons. One of the those reasons were to disincentive players going to private servers and to discourage any IP theft with in the private server space.
They don’t need classic or TBC to have an exploding player base. They have that scope with retail. They just need to offer it as an option and the people will come naturally.
I’m not entirely sure you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve been proven wrong before.
Private servers existed for years and Blizzard didn’t act.
Blizzard acted when subs dropped and they needed to expand their revenue stream.
Classic was a resounding success in that regard and Blizzard will want to retain those subs that by far eclipsed the totality of the Pserver community.
However Classic didn’t just draw in the Pserver community, it drew in many many others who will grow bored if not given content to consume, who will never be satisfied with just Classic forever…and they know it!
Yes they do. Retention after initial content release has been an issue for Blizzard for years. The amount that come back is smaller, the retention before they quit again is shorter…and the subs have dropped even within that cycle. Hence why we have classic in the first place.
Business choices are determined by the ability to be monetized and by bottom line mechanics…your personal preferences don’t enter into the equation.
Read every post that argued your points, based on your faulty and biased conclusions, in this thread.
I know for a fact Blizzard doesn’t care what I personally think. They care about what most players think as a combined whole…because that is what makes them money.
The difference is I seem to know that and you don’t.
Exactly. They acted, because BFA was poorly executed and subs dwindled. Blizzard saw classic as a cash grab and, no doubt, they had it planned to launch and go when the subs got low enough.
It did though. Lighthope, a very popular private server, shutdown when classic launched. It had the most population, by a mile.
Unless you work for Blizzard, you couldn’t possibly know any of this and shouldn’t say so.
Quick to straw man my arguments and say they are fallacious, but couldn’t give a single example when asked. Why am I not surprised.
You do claim to know things you couldn’t possibly know, though.
I play on one of the biggest servers and I have never seen a LFM AQ40 or Naxx go up on LFG chat. Because a few servers have occasionally tried a pug or did a GDKP it does not mean these raids are pugged.
For one most people dont organize raids on LFM they do them on Discords. Secondly I would go say any run that constitutes a minority of members from one guild is still a pug. You can say its organized by a group of people but 20 are not carrying a Naxx or AQ raid.
Yet you seem to infer or genuinely think what happened in 2004 will also happen in 2021 much in the same way. I could also say you’re biased as well. I obviously see a potential issue and have addressed it. I don’t see why that is bad. I actually offered a solution to it.
It was a different time in 2004. It doesn’t mean it has to go exactly the same way in 2021. This is the problem with “purist” mind sets.
It happened that way because never in the history of MMORPG’s has any company wiped their servers when moving forward with new content.
Companies recognize that would erase the effort and time that players make in perfecting their characters in regards to faction, gold, patterns/plans, so so forth.
That’s why it happened the way it did. It’s human nature to feel a sense of accomplishment to complete something you have set out to do.
And yes I am biased. I believe in logic foremost…yet I know that companies won’t always take the logical path, and so I won’t get my preferred choice in things, that’s just life.
No you offered your opinion, which you tried to conceal as fact or optimal.
You are completely entitled to you opinion Boneshield, I would never begrudge you that in any way.
But it is merely your opinion and won’t coincide with the opinion of others.
I’m not a purist, I’m a pragmatist.
If most people want to go TBC they will transfer players who want only Classic to different servers. If the reverse is true it will go the other way.
I don’t believe they will copy all servers, because it would require more infrastructure costs and without a declaration of a server transfer request they won’t have any idea how many wish to transfer to what type of server and what the server pops will be.
Ultimately Blizzard will make the call that makes the most sense regardless of what you and I think. It will be about retaining the most subs without ticking people off, with the least amount of effort and cost.
Classic-vanilla won’t have the population to support dozens of servers (I think NA has 40+ atm) once TBC drops. Considering many servers are already fairly low-pop as is, losing the main chunk of players will kill off most servers. You also cause the problem of implementing new servers for TBC: as we saw in the Classic launch, Blizz does not have accurate metrics on how many people will be playing, so they will almost definitely make too few or too many, and just result in megaservers again. (An additional population problem is the Horde advantage in TBC, which would be amplified if everyone starts fresh; if we carry over, many will stick with their Alli toons rather than swap).
The majority of players will be in TBC, this is not up for dispute. There are of course some classic holdouts, but maintaining the dozens of servers for them doesn’t make sense, and they themselves would prefer populated realms to many dead realms.
All servers should roll out TBC just as we did the first time around, and then also create some genuine “museum” Classic servers that won’t progress, and would eventually just sit at the Naxx patch forever. You won’t need more than 4 or so such servers, since nearly everyone will move on to TBC.
Additionally, the fresh Classic servers could also solve some of the problems of Classic, such as finding a better system than leeway/batching, and using the older AV.
Are you not speaking for others as well? This whole thread seems to be on the premise of arguing what people should or should not want. These are all opinions. Personal, individual opinions.
You basically did because there wouldn’t be anyone bringing their mains into TBC. They’d be forced to start fresh. And you explicitly say this in the OP, suggesting that leaving their characters behind would somehow influence them to play it again, rather than upsetting players not being able to bring their characters with them.
It doesn’t matter if a dead eternally P6 realm has old mains if no one goes back to them. They are essentially wiped.
Everything about your, “solution” stems from your own opinions and desires, and not at all what is good for the community and game as a whole.
Don’t be a hypocrite. Your entire argument is based around the hope that there’s enough players interested in not only Classic forever, but P6 forever. We’re already seeing dwindling populations in P6 - it’s going to get worse before TBC is even out.
You’re in the extreme minority. Not many people who want Classic only argue for permanent P6 realms.
I agree with him I just want TBC and Classic I hate Wrath of the Lich King so much So id rather play on just a TBC server rather than have to play that So i agree they all should be seperated maybe have a couple that has all three but atleast have some servers that are seperate expansions from each other
everyone was already told by Blizzard that it was a stand alone product. That’s not on Blizzard, or the people wanting TBC to be stand alone as well.
That’s what was nuts to me, people spending literally thousands of dollars on gold on their TF’s and GDKPs, because even if Classic does go into TBC, and then Wrath, those characters will eventually be sitting there collecting dust in Dalaran while the new classic realms open up.
You just straw manned my argument. I never once suggested a wipe for classic. I only advocated a separation of both game versions where everyone’s progression was kept intact on classic and not altered by a TBC launch. And no classic character transfers where progression would be migrated to TBC. That was it.
Another straw man fallacy. Now you’re speaking for the community and what is best for the community. Perhaps you should have been made “forum community speaker.”
My argument doesn’t even require enough insterest from the players. It was an objection to a possible outcome.
You should really sit down and spend more than 2 minutes reading my stance on the matter and the arguments I put forth instead of parroting what other people are saying. You might accidentally confuse people trying to read your replies.
Okay, so your OP is just your own opinion and nothing more. Whoever has a different opinion to you isn’t wrong because this whole thread is all opinions. No one is speaking for anyone else. No one is saying their own opinion is actually what IS best for the community, only saying what they THINK is best.
Cool, I’m glad we all understand.
You created personal solutions based on your premise of how the transition from Classic to TBC will pan out.
Your solution is to leave Classic servers as is, and create new ones for TBC…thereby removing the possibility to progression to TBC from Classic, with current characters.
Which creates a whole host of other issues including near 40 locked Classic servers at half or lower population. Some of which will not even be viable at that point.
Additionally your not only asking Blizzard to accept that incoming tactical nightmare…and spending more money than they need to for more server hardware than they require…after they end up having to condense the pure Classic server community onto less servers.
Since Blizzard has never been good about doing that…its going to be a fustercluck of titanic proportions.
So i agree they all should be seperated maybe have a couple that has all three but atleast have some servers that are seperate expansions from each other