But TBC servers will most likely be separate servers. I just don’t don’t understand how doing full server clones of Classic servers and making those into TBC servers would cause Classic servers to nosedive. If anything, that’s the best solution because players can play on both Classic and TBC servers without giving up the characters they invested many days into. When TBC first launched, it was a natural progression from 60 onward. Requiring ALL players to start at level 1 for an expansion doesn’t make any sense.
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Netherwing. It has a population of 2200 online players at peak times. It dropped to 400 during the first few months of classic. It has now since regained its median population levels.
Private servers are largely EU populated, however. So during peak US times, the population dips to 600.
I don’t think people should carry over items or gold to BC. I also don’t believe in level 58-60 freebies or copies, whatever. All that means is outland will be packed and people leveling lower characters will be screwed.
Not to mention all the easy mode farming classes getting a head start to mess up the economy right off the bat.
Why shouldn’t players carry items and gold over to TBC? That’s what happened back when TBC was originally released. Vanilla players didn’t lose their stuff or their progress.
Blizzard also launched brand new TBC servers so everyone there could start from scratch. People had choices.
Because you guys would ruin the economy from day one, ruin the experience for anyone wanting to play BC and then come to the forums complaining that the game is all screwed up?
Let’s face it, just about everything wrong with Classic atm is caused by the players. Cannot imagine how big of a cluster muck TBC would be with gold and full character transfers.
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I don’t want transfers. I want full CLONES of current Classic servers (i.e. Grob-Classic and Grob-Classic TBC). How would the economy be ruined in this particular case? There’s nothing to exploit there if a full server is being cloned. And then Blizzard could open up brand new TBC realms for those players wanting a fresh new start. Like they did back during TBC.
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Hype. This happens with every new release of any game, especially MP games.
You may think it’s as simple as allowing people to continue their characters journey, but I have a very strong inclination that doing so, even with clones, will greatly reduce the odds of people ever returning to their original character on Classic servers.
Some people will move on to BC and never look back. That’s what I’ll do no matter what blizzard does. The only question is will some misguided attempt to push people into returning to their classic characters instead cause them to quit entirely.
What do you mean by misguided attempt?
And as I previously stated:
OK, but that’s your opinion. It doesn’t mean that’s what I or other players who love Classic and TBC both will end up doing. Here’s the reality about the choices available. If we:
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Convert all Classic servers into TBC servers, Classic-only players will be pissed off and leave. Blizzard loses money. People flock to private servers once more.
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Allow one-way transfers off Classic servers to TBC, that makes players happy, but then Classic realm communities/guilds will suffer. This option would also be bad for players who want to return to Classic to raid with their guildies and also for people who want to play BOTH Classic and TBC (like me).
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Start at level 58, that doesn’t create the most authentic TBC experience and would cause massive problems on Launch Day as we funnel everyone into Hellfire Peninsula. The economy would also suck because there wouldn’t be one.
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Start everyone at level 1, that would cause problems too because many people invested DAYS into their Classic characters and want to start TBC content on Launch Day, and many care about progressing with their existing guilds, etc.
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CLONE all Classic servers and make those clones the new TBC servers, it’s a win for the players who want nothing to do with TBC. It’s a win for players who want to continue onto TBC (and there won’t be any exploitation for the economy since the whole server is getting cloned, not individual characters). It’s a win for Blizzard because they make money and piss off the least number of people. Throw in some additional brand spanking new TBC realms for people to start at level 1, and tada! We all win.
What’s so bad about option# 5?
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I’m sorry but you are incredibly foolish to think cloning won’t destroy Classic. It would also cause complications with those that have their data transferred but never play their TBC character. Cloning an entire economy is way too big brain for Blizzard to do correctly and will absolutely f*** everything up, whether it be bugs or exploits.
The only, viable, 100% full proof option is a fresh server. It has the highest chance of success and reduces all potential f*** ups on Blizzard’s part.
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I just thought of something though in regards to copying. Imagine this for a second: You have accrued 3000g in Classic, which is a pretty hefty sum. You copy your main over with that 3000g. Then you send that 3000g to your alt and transfer him. Rinse, repeat, victory and that ignores moving around valuable items as well that you could liquidate later.
Copies may not work if there isn’t something to protect against that.
I won’t be playing TBC if I have to start fresh. Just saying. I’d rather spend my time leveling all classes to 60 on both factions and doing dungeons or whatever until I feel like I’ve “beaten” classic and/or just go back to retail.
I’m not going to level 1-60 across all my characters AGAIN just to experience TBC. If they were going to do anything this extreme I’d say force everyone to TBC and be done with it.
Then I quit wow. This is what I mean by a misguided attempt to protect classic servers. I don’t know how many other people quit but I’m sure I won’t be the only one.
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You still haven’t explained exactly how there would be complications with cloning an entire server. You are literally duplicating the server data. There’s nothing to mess up there. You set a day, most likely on a Tuesday (maintenance day), take all Classic servers offline and back them up. Creating new VM’s is pretty easy, technically speaking. Create new VM’s and migrate the data over. Tada! New TBC servers!
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There are too many unknown variables. If Blizzard still had a strong core group of programmers I wouldn’t be worried, but they don’t. They screw something up every - single - time. If you think they wouldn’t screw up cloning an entire server with an economy worth millions of gold I’m sorry but you are, again, foolish.
Its interesting that there was no option to select a “copy character” answer.
I think a couple of things are likely:
1 - they will most likely go for a separate game log in, as is currently so for BfA and Classic. That way, people who want to play Classic can still do so, and those who want to experience TBC only can do that as well.
2 - I then think there will be 3 ways to play TBC.
Firstly, start a character at 1 by levelling through the pre-TBC areas that will still be available and will be as they are at the end of Classic. That would enable people who want to level up a Blood Elf or a Draenei to do that and experience the starter areas and reputation earning that those areas provide.
Secondly, to permit the one-off free transfer of a character or characters to the TBC game, to a server or servers of your choice. My hope is that if they do allow this, that characters arrive with only a small amount of gold and no items in their bags that aren’t bound to them. The mass transfer of characters with large amounts of gold and materials suddenly hitting the game would cause real impact to server economies. Players can always transfer gold to alts in Classic and use it there.
Thirdly, to create a character at level 58. This would enable new people who have no Classic characters to play TBC – and if there is one thing I know, its that Blizzard would not want to lose a potential large number of paying customers because they don’t want to spend months leveling up, knowing that they will be way behind the curve when it comes to raids and dungeons. (They might impose limits on how often you can do that, and might even not allow level 58 Blood Elves and Dreaenei.)
I may be wrong, but I don’t think they will see a need to limit how people use characters in TBC but I do think they will provide the options that they see as most likely to both keep current people playing and also tempt those who aren’t back to the games.
you itself sit and level from 1-70. Many will come with their characters from classic and level from 60-70. Majority of people don’t want that as they have done it already.
I would rather play BC on a flawed server with bugs with all my 60’s then level several 60’s all over again from level 1 to play BC. I would try that and hope they eventually fixed it but I would not start all over again from level 1.
To be honest all your posts just tell me that all you care about is forcing everyone to reroll a level 1 for “fresh” memes, more people in the “world”, etc. I agree that you should get a new server for TBC, just like there was with actual TBC, but forcing everyone to put in hundreds of extra hours to do the overplayed 1-60 on their mains/alts is an objectively terrible idea.
The truth is making everyone start from level 1 would kill TBC faster than literally any other change Activision could do.
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I work in IT, and I’m telling you it’s a VERY easy process to manage. Any Sysadmin (and I assure you, Blizzard has a few of them) manages servers and data backups. You fundamentally lack an understanding of how servers function and operate.
Giving a generic answer such as “unknown variables” and then proceeding to insult someone that you can’t backup your words against doesn’t equate to an answer. Anyway, it can be done easily, and if you continue to act like a defeatist, you will be very disappointed when they achieve it.
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