Thanks for helping to keep all these Dual Spec threads you’re posting in bumped. Almost at 500 likes on this thread alone, while the most liked anti-Dual Spec thread is sitting at under 30.
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Well Antis are totally helping us bumping the threads. It’s really funny to see btw.
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Or they just Raid log because it’s not fun to do anything in a heal spec? That’s been the story for most of the healers in my Guild.
Then your guilds healers are lazy.
You get 75-100g from the cooking, fishing, and dungeons dailies. That’s quests that usually require 0 combat or is a group quest which healers are good at. That is easily enough for a healer to respec to a dps or pvp spec, then respec back later with minimal farming, if any.
Gold is easy to get. It’s possible your healers just don’t enjoy the game outside of healing. But gold is not what is holding them back.
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Out of curiosity, have you played as a healer and actually tried to solo things in TBC?
Meh. They want to play content they find enjoyable and in a spec that they have fun doing that content. Most enjoy Raid healing but dislike doing anything else in their Heal spec.
I do the Cooking/Fishing dailies every day but most of the rest didn’t even level up cooking or fishing because they found it tedious.
Gold is what’s holding them back. Anyone who wants epic flying doesn’t feel like taking two steps forward and one step back any time they want to play in the open world to make some Gold.
In actual tbc I did play a bit of resto druid from my brother’s character (shared account as kids). And it wasn’t horrible. Yes it was slower, but not horrible, but I also had basically no downtime. The only difference in gear I changed was the weapons being a Feral staff and everything else was healer gear. It used very little mana and was easy to fight 1-2 mobs at a time because if I got low I could heal.
I was able to do a mix of moon fire for the dot, rejuv, and cat form.
I haven’t done this in classic, but it wasn’t horrible in actual tbc. I usually did about 10 dailies with kill quests on my brothers druid, because I would then mail the gold to my character. He enevr did the dailies outside of the netherdrake mount ones anyway so it didn’t cause him issues.
Well then, tell your healers to save up a caster gear set, or melee set, exc based on their class. Gear changing makes a big difference. Talents are only part of the equation and as healers they can get into groups for dungeons easily and just let the group know your rolling on dps gear for your class as well.
Heck just getting a few dps on use trinkets from quests can make things easier.
Wait, I thought one of the issues with Dual spec was people rolling on multiple types of gear for multiple specs?
LOL there’s literally no consistency in anything you say. You’re a joke.
BTW a full set of Healing gear has about the same power for DPS as a full set of DPS gear. It’s almost ALL about the Talents.
Whoever argued against dual spec because of gear wasn’t very bright, the issue isn’t the gear. But I’ll move away from the dual spec discussion so for a sec. there is a noticeable difference in dps gear and healer gear. Healer gears total spell power for damaging spells will not be the same as the spell power from dps gear, it gets close, but it’s still less on average. The dps gear is also more focused on spell crit and such, while healer gear is more geared toward mana or mana per 5 in some way. Trinkets also have a decent impact as do rings, neck, back, and weapons.
If you have no talents and just an equivalent of dps caster gear and healer gear sets you will do more damage with the caster dps set.
Also, your saying that healers have issues farming, then say their healer gear gives the exact same amount of damage spell power as dps gear. You are contradicting yourself a good bit.
You missed this I guess? A Healer in DPS gear will do a little more damage but with no synergistic talents to increase Damage and increase sustain you’ll be drinking far more and killing stuff much slower.
The talents are what amp up the DPS gear. The talents amp up Secondary effects like Spell Crit for Ele Shaman as an example.
Why do I need to explain this to you?
He just does that. He continually brings up points that have already been dismantled or proven otherwise and yet, when someone makes a new thread on dual spec when someone new bumps the thread, he just returns to his previous presumption over and over again as if nothing was said.
I’ve had him on ignore for quite a while now. Even when you bring up his own quotes from other threads that show how inconsistent he is, he still won’t stop.
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Holy paladins trying to tank and Ret DPS is really awful in TBC. And no, Holy Shock won’t save you.
I would know. I played Holy pally back in 07. It was not fun to solo doing Netherdrake quests and Shatar Skyguard quests.
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You don’t seem to understand d the impact of gear. Talents are HALF the equation. Your trying to say talents are 90+% of it and changing gear does nothing… lol.
Resto druid can farm with very little downtime and no mana issues. Yes its slower, but it’s not horrible.
Priests can farm as well without to much downtime, between shadow word pain, wanding, and the occasional mind blast they can stay relatively mana efficient while keeping their hp up. Basically only mind blast after another spell was used (damage or healing) to keep as much mana regen going as possible.
Every healer has a method they can use to kill stuff at a decent speed without burning through mana. It won’t be as fast as a dps, but it’s not horrible. And GEAR effects it as well. Talents are HALF the equation. Yes the healer might be doing less damage but when done properly they also have very little downtime.
Healers can farm in the open world just fine. Heck some of them have decent aoe farm ability like holy paladin or holy/disk priest due to concentration and holy nova. It’s not a 200 mob pull like prot pallies do in old dungeons, but it is still capable of doing a 5+ current level mob pull. But it will require drinking afterwords.
Stop acting like healers are helpless in the open world…
Honestly, they should just put it up on PTR and let people play with it. will satisfy both groups for a bit.
The people that want the change can experience on PTR and it wont affect the haters on Live.
The biggest problem is, Blizzard has never ever done Q&A sessions like FF14 devs do. Like they think people give dumb questions or worthless questions, but they aren’t. I think even for TBC/Classic, Q&A is needed because it shows people that they care about this game.
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I would love to see that
They did, but I never bought into it. Mostly because none of the top questions posed by the community were ever answered. So was ultimately pointless.
I never said that. I said it wasn’t fun. Since you’re not me how about you stop trying to tell me how to play this game.
You’re one of the most misinformed posters I’ve come across on these forums so pardon if I LOL at any “suggestions” you might have.
If your not having fun playing the game as designed maybe this isn’t the game for you then?
I don’t want dual spec because it has far reaching effects that will change the game.
If you don’t want to farm gold for respecs maybe you can convince your guild to chip in a bit.
My guild will pay part of our healer and tanks respec fees when they change spec for the guild. It’s usually around 75g (the 40g, plus 25g for returning to origional spec) and it’s a collective pool of donations. The last 25g is usually made from doing the dungeon or raid, and if its the daily dungeons they make gold off it. If you have a guild of 25 people and each one donated 5g a day that’s 125g. Obviously most guilds are bigger than 25 and not everyone will donate. My guild is currently just under 100 unique members and we have people who regularly do the fishing and cooking quest and donate 5g a day. The only incentive of the donation system is those who donate to it that week have a higher priority for being out into a group doing the daily dungeon quests. We actually have a warrior that focused on pvp, but will change to tank to do the daily dungeons then goes back to pvp. And he changes to a dps spec for raids.
I’m sorry you don’t like playing an aspect of this game, but that doesn’t mean the game needs to be changed.
Heck I just made over 600g afk traveling for the summer event and hitting all the fire turn ins. And I got the fire dancer out of it. The dailies from it also give a good bit of gold and require 0 combat. And you can do this to get consumables on cosmetic items. Gold is easy to get in tbc.
If you only enjoy healing, you can find a tank friend and charge pug dps for gold and split it with the tank.
You could learn to play the AH. There is ways to get gold without killing stuff.